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percypony

Joined: 06 Jan 2005
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Location: Hants

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 06 10:08 am Post subject: Home slaughter

Following on from the thread about the poor pigs boiling to death as I didn't want to clog it up with a question...

A neighbour of ours has offered us 1/2 a pig at a good price for the freezer and talked about getting 'the man' in to do the deed. Apparently everything is done in the lorry and he is presented with a carcass to take to the local butcher. After reading this other thread I am now worryied that this is not legal!
I wouldn't mind this method at all, in fact I would favour it hence being keen to buy from him but if it is not legal other than breaking the law I would be worried 'the man' would not be regulated/checked etc to make sure he is doing everything correctly and the pig might suffer more as a consequence? Obviously mistakes happen even if this is legal but they are there to minimise those as much as posisble?
So, is this allowed or not?

Northern_Lad

Joined: 13 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 06 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Home slaughter

percypony wrote:

So, is this allowed or not?

I think this may be a case of a travelling slaghterman, rather than a home slaughter.
IIRC, Gordon, and the nice people from INEBG did the same and they were shown nationally.

judith

Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Posts: 22789
Location: Montgomeryshire

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 06 10:19 am Post subject:
If it is going to be butchered on licensed premises, i.e. your local butcher, then it is OK.

percypony

Joined: 06 Jan 2005
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Location: Hants

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 06 10:20 am Post subject:
Humour me here! What is IIRC and INEBG and who's Gordon? Sorry!

Silas

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
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Location: Staffordshire

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 06 10:20 am Post subject:
I don't think it is the butchering, but the slaughtering that is in question.

percypony

Joined: 06 Jan 2005
Posts: 146
Location: Hants

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 06 10:21 am Post subject:
OK, so the pig can be slaughtered on his premises by a travelling slaughterman and then taken to a butcher for 'chopping up'? And this is perfectly OK?

judith

Joined: 16 Dec 2004
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Location: Montgomeryshire

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 06 10:22 am Post subject:

Silas wrote:

I don't think it is the butchering, but the slaughtering that is in question.

I don't think there is a problem with either. Pigs are a lot less problematic than sheep/cows.

Behemoth

Joined: 01 Dec 2004
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Location: Leeds

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 06 10:29 am Post subject:

percypony wrote:

Humour me here!

What is IIRC and INEBG and who's Gordon? Sorry!

IIRC = If I recall correctly

INBEG = It's not easy being green (as seen on BBC2)

Gordon is a moron.

Northern_Lad

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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 06 10:32 am Post subject:

Behemoth wrote:

Gordon is a moron.

Just 'cause you were jilted, John.

judith

Joined: 16 Dec 2004
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Location: Montgomeryshire

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 06 10:35 am Post subject:

I take back my previous comments. After looking at the guidance again, I don't think your farmer can legally sell you the meat, even if it is going to a licensed butcher.
There is nothing illegal about having the pig slaughtered by the mobile slaughterman - the farmer and his family can legally eat it - but it is the selling part that is not permitted. If he took it to an abattoir and came back with half a pig for you to take to your butcher, that would be fine. But not if it is an itinerant slaughterman.

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 06 10:37 am Post subject:
I wonder what would happen if two people owned the pig before slaughter, could you get round the legislation that way?

judith

Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Posts: 22789
Location: Montgomeryshire

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 06 10:39 am Post subject:

Treacodactyl wrote:

I wonder what would happen if two people owned the pig before slaughter, could you get round the legislation that way?

No. They've thought of that one! You would have to decide between you who was the owner.
I suppose you could always get married...

marigold

Joined: 02 Sep 2005
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Location: West Sussex

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 06 11:46 am Post subject:
Maybe the farmer could sell you a very expensive peppercorn, with a free half-pig?

RichardW

Joined: 24 Aug 2006
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Location: Llyn Peninsular North Wales

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 06 11:51 am Post subject:

Were is my tin opener for this can of worms?

1, First of there are NO legal mobile slaughters in the UK
2, Gordon was doing poultry & is allowed to kill upto 10,000 per year (does not have to be him killing but must be an employee) so he employed some one & then gave them the job of killing them.
3, If you kill (not in licenced premises & stamped as fit for human consuption) a pig your local butcher will be in deep pooh if he allows it onto his premises
4, the farmer would be in deep poooh for selling the meat
5, the slaughter man will be in deep pooh for not being licened or working on unlicened premises
6, If the slaughterman is licened he will loose his licence for working on unlicenced premises (strangly this even applies if the registered slaughterman is killing his own animals on his own farnm for his own consumption which would normaly be legal)
7, Do I need to say more?

Justme

Northern_Lad

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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 06 11:58 am Post subject:

Justme wrote:

2, Gordon was doing poultry & is allowed to kill upto 10,000 per year (does not have to be him killing but must be an employee) so he employed some one & then gave them the job of killing them.

That was the turkeys; he did pigs in the second series.

Justme wrote:

7, Do I need to say more?

That's entirely up to you.

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