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vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
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Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 13 11:27 am Post subject: North Wales Police - spot checks on firearms owners

https://www.basc.org.uk/en/media/pressreleases.cfm/prid/7E4E7647-F411-4314-B284D5FBB1AEE740

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The UK's largest shooting organisation, the British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC), has challenged a North Wales Police plan to carry out spot checks on legally held firearms and ammunition in breach of Government guidelines and without consulting stakeholders.

The operation is due to start on 3rd December in South Gwynedd and will involve uniformed officers conducting unannounced checks on firearms storage and security.

BASC's objections include:

1) A uniformed police presence could compromise firearms security by announcing the presence of firearms in a home.

2) The police do not have automatic legal powers of entry to inspect firearms security.

3) The spot checks go against Home Office guidance, which states that home visits should be arranged by prior appointment at a mutually convenient time.

BASC also believes that uniformed officers without specialist firearms licensing training may be unaware of the details of legal requirements for firearms security. For example the method of secure storage is not specified in law which says that "reasonably practicable precautions" must be taken.

BASC has written to the Chief Constable of North Wales Police and the Police and Crime Commissioner for North Wales to call a halt to the plan. BASC is also writing to every BASC member in the affected areas of Dwyfor, Eifionydd, and Meirionydd.

BASC's director of firearms Bill Harriman said: "We would rather be working with the police to improve security than working against this type of dragnet operation. BASC does not support this initiative and is advising members that they are not obliged to co-operate with it. We believe if there is cause for concern with an individual, they should be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. We are advising members that they do not have to give police officers access to their home for the inspection of security unless the police are acting to protect life and property under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act, they have a magistrates' warrant, a revocation letter has been served or they intend to seize a firearm used in a crime."

Any member who needs advice can contact BASC�s firearms team on 01244 573010.

Rob R

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 31902
Location: York

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 13 11:35 am Post subject:
Fire warms?

Treacodactyl
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Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Jumping on the bandwagon of opportunism

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 13 11:45 am Post subject:
They do seem to try and rub people up the wrong way in those parts. (Thread title amended to remove spelling mistake, BTW)

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46211
Location: yes

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 13 3:46 pm Post subject:
having seen some shabby security (purdey pair in wood n glass display case , fac rounds left out in desk draws etc )they may have a point but working with fac holders to improve security understanding rather than intrusive and probably often wasted random visits might get better results to prevent accident or malice a phone call and a planned visit to review matters would be best

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46211
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 13 3:54 pm Post subject:
ps plenty of weapons are available on the illegal market some are stolen/"lost" and sold on ,most are imported as viable arms or converted from deactivated toys pps the convertion/reactivation/badly loaded rounds type of weapon is as dangeroos for the user as the intended victim imho.reciever in the face anyone ?

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