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Treacodactyl
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 05 4:14 pm Post subject: Peak Oil
Our latest article by James Howard of PowerSwitch.Org.Uk on Peak Oil is very thought provoking, especially at this time of year when energy prices have been rising dramatically and with the government looking a nuclear power again. Take time to read through it here: https://www.downsizer.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=191 It will be intriguing to see what people think.

alternative-energy

Joined: 13 Dec 2005
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 05 9:59 pm Post subject: peak oil

Peal Oil

The really scary thing about Peak Oil is that the facists have taken hold of this issue. I would hate to promote a link to the BNP site,but you guys are all liberal, educated free thinkers so no danger of being corrupted...On a trawl through the web I came across this.

https://www.bnp.org.uk/peakoil/politics.htm

Anyone who is familiar with Jeremy Legget's (CEO of Solar Century ) Book 'Half Gone' will be aware that he too mentions that the extreme right have taken hold of this issue and are positioning themselves to carry this issue forward when Peak Oil does come about.

A point that I now feel is important is that we all start talking about this issue and steer it away from the far right. Failure to do so will give the BNP greater credibility.
Sorry to be gloom monger but Peak oil will be followed by economic depression not unlike that of the thirties. When the time finally does come when we simply cannot extract anymore greater volume of oil, we do not want the BNP saying "we told you so"... Tell you what, follow us.... The way forward all comes down to strong leadership... Let's see who we can find as our scapegoat this time...

paul
www.alternative-energy.co.uk

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 05 10:08 pm Post subject:
Having a quick read they don't say anything about what they would do. Is any party talking sense on Peak Oil, Greens for example?

alternative-energy

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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 05 10:22 pm Post subject:

I like you haven't read all the information produced by the BNP but i think we can probably guess their ultimate policy... and it ain't pretty.
The Greens are also aware of the issue and have produced some information . However this seems to be at local level. I'll try to look for some National policy from them.
However what must be remembered is that in times of strife the masses elect parties with strong leadership... I'm a green voter myself but i don't think they'll get a look in.
What is necessary however is that the main political parties now begin communicate their policies in this area. I am sure that they must be aware of the issue at least!!

Paul

dougal

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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 05 10:32 pm Post subject:
Newsnight BBC2 --- NOW !!

alternative-energy

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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 05 11:26 pm Post subject:
Thanks Dougal, That's just what my wife said... Let's hope we get some more dialogue after that programme. I was in the process of searching phrase Peak Oil on main three political parties web sites... nothing. Paul

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 05 6:49 am Post subject:
I watched most of it, interesting to see a few of the guests in the "we'll find a new power supply or cope easily" camp. Thanks for the heads up Dougal.

Blue Peter

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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 05 11:38 am Post subject:

Treacodactyl wrote:

I watched most of it, interesting to see a few of the guests in the "we'll find a new power supply or cope easily" camp.

Thanks for the heads up Dougal.

I missed it. Anything of note? Did anyone suggest a date for global peak oil?

Peter.

Andy B

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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 05 12:08 pm Post subject:
I wonder how many people will now not debate the issue just because the BNP have tried to pull it into the limelight. They didnt come up with any answers though.

Blue Peter

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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 05 12:26 pm Post subject:

Andy B wrote:

I wonder how many people will now not debate the issue just because the BNP have tried to pull it into the limelight. They didnt come up with any answers though.

I'm not sure that that many people know about peak oil, and I should think that only a small fraction of them know about the BNP's interest. Very few people have come up with any "answers".

John Busby has one here:

https://www.after-oil.co.uk/

And on a more local scale, there's one here:

https://transitionculture.org/?p=129

Peter.

Andy B

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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 05 12:35 pm Post subject:

Blue Peter wrote:

Andy B wrote:

I wonder how many people will now not debate the issue just because the BNP have tried to pull it into the limelight. They didnt come up with any answers though.

A lot of people dismiss the BNP out of hand, a lot of what they say is total rubbish. But you would be suprised how many people dismiss them whilst not even bothering to read stuff.

Andy B

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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 05 12:41 pm Post subject:
Does anyone grow drought resistant GM crops that could be used for bio fuels.

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 05 12:44 pm Post subject:

Well I read the Peak Oil link and it didn't say anything about Peak Oil or what they would do.

As for Newsnight, all I gleaned was there are many different points of view from people I assume have spent years working in economics and oil, but no one seems to be able to agree!

I think we can at least agree oil and other carbon based fuels are going to get more expensive so we can take it from there.

alternative-energy

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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 05 12:47 pm Post subject:

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I missed it. Anything of note? Did anyone suggest a date for global peak oil?

A date for peak oil wasn't discussed but 2005 was seen to be pivotal in the realisation of the end of cheap oil.

Did anyone know that the second largest oil field (Burgan) in Kuwait reached peak production in November? I for one didn't...
https://www.kuwaittimes.net/localnews.asp?dismode=article&artid=37595069

The largest oil field (Ghawar) is apparently being injected with huge amounts of water to keep up pressure. If this one reaches peak production then we'll see the realisation on the world stock markets....
Glad i've got a trailer for my bike but i might have to organise security on the allotment!!

Paul

dpack

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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 05 12:52 pm Post subject:

umm, as the price rises there is pressure to reduce waste so extending the process , a finite supply will end . most folk would not last a month without all that oil provides them , i like some of the things oil provides such as a variety of long lasting plastics ,particulate soots and co2 emmisions are another matter as is plastic to use once and discard .if we could persuade folk to see oil as a finite but vital raw material and not as an energy supply we may have enough to last while we work on a non oil economy .those whose fortune depends upon selling oil have encouraged reckless consumption as they get the profit now ( and if sensible keep it, then give it away) often it is shareholders rather than an individual whose greed drives the system . the cause is divided from the effect which makes it harder to explain that this way of doing things is not sustainable . i like goretex and hate patio heaters .

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