It would be a very foolish person who tried to use any physical violence in this situation. I have continued to disassemble a trap whilst the landowner approached me
The level of self- righteousness in your post offends me no end. These traps are not your property and you have absolutely no right to interfere with them, regardless of your self-perpetuating ego! The traps are also set for reasons which are obviously none of your business.
Perhaps some words of advice? (even though I fear they will fall on deaf ears) It is possible that your self-serving unbearable smugness will, in fact, lead to a perhaps slightly-less-than-tolerant individual taking you to task for your interfering activities by the good old-fashioned method of administering a severe ,and potentially protracted, fustigation (look it up) in the relative peace & quiet of a shady copse. Well-deserved in my opinion
Anyone who knows me on the forum will know that my original post was said very much tongue in cheek, but I appologise if my flippant remark has caused any upset..
I totaly agree with peoples rights to resort to civil disobedience .
Criminal damage is an arrestable offence however and as such the land owner is permitted to use reasonable force to arrest the offender.
In reality however, how many landowners would be mentaly or physicaly prepared to meet with such a confrontation
Silas
Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 6848 Location: Staffordshire
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 06 11:55 am Post subject:
Would you like to tell me just what good these traps actually do?
This topic has been done to death on numerous occasions.
The only thing that you and I will do by going into this matter yet again is to drop ourselves in the sh*t so lets call it a day.
Silas
Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 6848 Location: Staffordshire
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 06 12:00 pm Post subject:
In southern Europe, it is quite common for 'hunters' to capture songbirds ( Thrushes, robins finches etc) and pin them alive by their feet to branches of trees in order for them to attract other birds that they can shoot. Do you consider this to be a justifiable practice. Would it be wrong to try to interfere with it?
I consider the Larson trap to be a refinement of this practice.
It would be a very foolish person who tried to use any physical violence in this situation. I have continued to disassemble a trap whilst the landowner approached me
The level of self- righteousness in your post offends me no end. These traps are not your property and you have absolutely no right to interfere with them, regardless of your self-perpetuating ego! The traps are also set for reasons which are obviously none of your business.
Perhaps some words of advice? (even though I fear they will fall on deaf ears) It is possible that your self-serving unbearable smugness will, in fact, lead to a perhaps slightly-less-than-tolerant individual taking you to task for your interfering activities by the good old-fashioned method of administering a severe ,and potentially protracted, fustigation (look it up) in the relative peace & quiet of a shady copse. Well-deserved in my opinion
Fustigate = to cudgel
Please can I refer you to JB's moderation post: "Downsizer cannot condone illegal activity of any kind, whether that comprises breaking the law or the inferrence that retribution against those who do so should also be outside of the legal framework. "
Please keep the dicsusion within bounds agreed by all members. Thank you.
Yes, this could prove to be an interesting discusssion if we can avoid an overly dogmatic attitude (though we all have our standpoints), don't hide behind anonymity the internet and behave with courtesy to each other.
Nick
Joined: 02 Nov 2004 Posts: 34535 Location: Hereford
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 06 12:30 pm Post subject:
Metaphorical question.
A Larson trap appears to me to be a locked environment which you keep one noisy, annoying specimen on the grounds that it'll bring in others that are interested, for whatever reason, and then you can destroy them. Am I right so far?
Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Posts: 5834 Location: Daft wench GHQ
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 06 12:32 pm Post subject:
mochyn
Joined: 21 Dec 2004 Posts: 24585 Location: mid-Wales
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 06 12:35 pm Post subject:
nickhowe wrote:
Metaphorical question.
A Larson trap appears to me to be a locked environment which you keep one noisy, annoying specimen on the grounds that it'll bring in others that are interested, for whatever reason, and then you can destroy them. Am I right so far?
So.
Is this thread a Larson trap?
Discuss.
And Nick brings the thread back to earth with a bump
Seriously, though, I can see Larsen's being useful if, for example, your lambs are having their eyes/tongues pecked out.
I once caught thirteen in a week from one spot .
This lasts 5 or 6 years I've had loads of song thrushes and other types of birds visiting our garden that we hardly had before . I'm convinced that its due to improved habitat and the fact that we keep the black and white menace under control .
A pair of maggies working your garden will wreak havoc amongst your birdies !
Theres a small network of us doing it in the area . Its not a nice thought, having to bump them off , but I'm convinced that its worth it . If more people had the time and the resolve to do it ,it would be a step in the right direction .
One of the best ways to answer "are they really that bad" is to look at the population of thrushes and magpies.
Where magpies are found thrushes struggle. Where they are controlled by keepers etc. the thrush is found.The Game conservancy showed this to be the case.
The magpie is also responsible in part for the demise of the grey partridge and many other species.
Just to explain. As long as the call bird is well looked after this is the best form of control of these rats or cats with wings. This method of controlling magpies is selective and humane in as much as the birds are killed instantly and no wounded birds are left to fly away and die. All my traps are checked twice a day at least.
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