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SheepShed

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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 09 1:34 pm Post subject:
I'd call them Goldhead Green Montana Marabou, or Montana Marabou Green Nugget. It's matching the stonefly nymph, but is a good general purpose nymph pattern with a bit of weight on it to get it low in the water.

Stewy

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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 09 1:40 pm Post subject:
Thanks

SheepShed

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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 09 1:58 pm Post subject:

There is a logic to the naming, sort of

You start off with a green montana

which is your basic stonefly nymph copy

Add a tail made of marabou (turkey plumes)

to give it more visible movement in the water

Then add a gold bead at the head

to weight it down a bit and add a bit of shine at the head.

And end up with a Green Montana Marabou Goldhead (and you can rearrange the words in whatever order you like)

Stewy

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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 09 2:07 pm Post subject:
Just had a look through me catalogue and you are spot on, any other flies that are a must have for me box?

pricey

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 09 2:13 pm Post subject:

Stewy wrote:

Just had a look through me catalogue and you are spot on, any other flies that are a must have for me box?

lots I will take a photo of my boxes for you and then you can have a look and see what you like.

I tend to use what I like the look of, Montana's are always a safe bet on any water really, but try others the fish like a change every now and then.

SheepShed

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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 09 2:43 pm Post subject:

Stewy wrote:

any other flies that are a must have for me box?

First thing you'll need is another box - game fishers are like muck, they attract flies !
What sort of water are you fishing on ? Lake, reservoir, big river, small river ?

The all-rounders I'd go for that would cover most lake and river work would be (in no particular order),
Damsel nymph
Pheasant Tail nymph
Gold-ribbed hares ear
Bloodworm buzzer
Viva zulu
Black and peacock spider
Coch-y-Bonddu
Greenwells glory
Some sort of muddler

Stewy

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Location: Berkshire

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 09 3:07 pm Post subject:
Will be fishing small lakes/ponds to start off with to see how I go, do I need any sort of spray or something to put on me dry flies to keep them afloat?

SheepShed

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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 09 3:42 pm Post subject:

Stewy wrote:

Will be fishing small lakes/ponds to start off with to see how I go, do I need any sort of spray or something to put on me dry flies to keep them afloat?

There's stuff called Gink, which is a good floatant, but to be honest if you're fishing small fisheries for rainbows, I wouldn't bother too much with dry flies to start with. Stick with nymphs, buzzers and lures - you've got some good flourescent fritz goldheads and a couple of green and black lures next to them at the top of your box, I'd start out with those if I were you.
Get some casting lessons so you don't get into any bad habits, sort out your leaders and tippets (the monofiliment line at the end of your fly line), practice your knots so you don't lose flies (or fish) and get started. At most fisheries a beginner will be besieged by people giving advice, some of it might even be useful

Stewy

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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 09 4:31 pm Post subject:

This is all good stuff SheepShed, quick question regarding the backing line, I will be using a 6 line so what strength backing should I use? Also I'm not so sure on connecting the fly line to the backing, I've got a DVD for beginners such as myself and it shows the fella threading the fly line up through the middle of the backing line and then covering with a sleeve, is this the best way or should it be knotted in some way?

You can tell I've done this before can't ya!!!!

SheepShed

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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 09 4:52 pm Post subject:

I've been fishing over 25 years and have only ever got down to the backing a handful of times - unless you're running a huge fish on a whacking great reservoir or the Spey or something, it won't be anything to worry about.

The most important thing is fixing the fly to the leader, and the leader to the fly line. For the former use the good old 'grinner' and for the latter I'd recommend using braided loops on the end of the fly line and using the loop-to-loop method to fix the leader to the loop. Might not meet with the approval of the purists, but then you won't be presenting a delicate size 24 dry fly on a gin-clear chalk stream (not to start with at least).

Have a look at https://www.trout-salmon-fishing.com/flyfishing-knots.htm for some good knot diagrams

Stewy

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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 09 2:23 pm Post subject:
I'm thinking of this LINE, what do you reckon?

SheepShed

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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 09 4:07 pm Post subject:
Looks a sensible choice (WF is easier to cast than DT) and a good price.

Stewy

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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 09 5:30 pm Post subject:
Right, what about leader strength and length? I'm looking at using the Orvis leaders loop to loop method for ease, fly line will be a 6........... I was thinking a 9ft leader 6lb breaking strain to get me started or is that a bit heavy? TIA

pricey

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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 09 5:35 pm Post subject:

Stewy wrote:

I was thinking a 9ft leader 6lb breaking strain to get me started or is that a bit heavy?

TIA

Make the leader the same length as the rod, some times you might have to replace this twice or so in a day depending on snap offs, snags, changing fly's etc...

I only ever use 6lb, but it does depend on the water you are fishing they all have different rules.

Stewy

Joined: 17 Oct 2005
Posts: 1453
Location: Berkshire

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 09 5:46 pm Post subject:
Cheers Pricey, the rod will be 9ft. I don't really fancy having a bash at Dever springs to be honest so 6lb it is, just need a reel now amongst other stuff!! I'm quite excited!!!!!!

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