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Cathryn

Joined: 16 Jul 2005
Posts: 19856
Location: Ceredigion

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 09 7:03 am Post subject:

jamsam wrote:

This happened to my neighbour a few weeks ago. all the local kids knew who had done it so i rounded them all up with the promise of ice cream and "forgot" to mention the local PC was coming over. they were more than happy to grass the little sod up. He has now been charged with various offences, banned form keeping animals, had his dog removed and been suspended from school.

Im not sure if it will work but i did find him wondering around bored last week as all the others were in school so i got him to help me pull some old fencing down. i think he has learnt a lesson about doing things in small villages! hopefully he's learnt a few other lessons too.

You are ace Jamsam.

chez

Joined: 13 Aug 2006
Posts: 35935
Location: The Hive of the Uberbee, Quantock Hills, Somerset

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 09 7:06 am Post subject:
What Cathryn said. Where's that thread for Dowsizer Elections? Jamsam for Minister for Children!

SarahB

Joined: 09 Sep 2007
Posts: 869
Location: South Wales

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 09 7:40 am Post subject:

catbaffler wrote:

I wonder how difficult it would be to see whether the death may, or may not have been caused by a cat? Or am I being naive (neither having seen the injuries nor being a keeper of chickens myself, I know nothing)?

The chicken's body was taken for a cursory examination but there are so many cats in the area it's possible that she was mauled by one while injured or after death anyway. I suspect that with a human being there would be the full CSI style forensic autopsy with tox screens, xrays, scans and whatever, but this is "just a chicken" so I bet an overworked vet will take a quick look at the smelly corpse, say "Yeah, it's dead, something bit it" and they'll cremate and no more will be done, if she even gets that. There's also the possibility she escaped and it was more opportunist than premeditated, which would mean that the kids didn't come into my garden and take her. It changes the way the police will look at it and lends credibility to the kids story.

So, for now, with the sob story they fed the RSPCA, there's bog all to do apart from make sure it's obvious if anyone interferes with my hen run, watch the little buggers like a hawk and record and report any further incidents - straight for the police next time and hoping there won't be a next time.

Nicky cigreen

Joined: 25 Jun 2007
Posts: 9891
Location: Devon, uk

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 09 11:41 am Post subject:
still I think showing them you take this seriously might change things for the rest of the hens. one can hope. agree with SC about RSPCA - far too keen to put down most of the time - I used to work with someone who worked ith cats protection.. if there were cats that needed saving they tried their hardest to get there before RSPCA - as CP would do everything, RSPCA will put down.

VM

Joined: 23 Nov 2007
Posts: 1748
Location: Lincolnshire

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 09 2:48 pm Post subject:

I would still tell the police if I were you - even if they don't do much, you'll have a record of it which might be useful if anything further happens - also particularly if you heard a different story first.

If you think social services are involved with the family then I would tell them as well.

Although I am a bit pessimistic about how much difference either police or social services can be in relation to families/children in these circumstances, it still seems worthwhile making sure that there is a record so that if anyone is dealing with these boys, they have a full picture of what's going on.

If your chicken might have escaped into their garden, that makes it a bit better than if they'd come into yours, looking to do harm. But I don't believe the trampoline/cat story, do you? I think they'd have heard something if cat was going for chicken and anyway, can't an adult hen usually stand up to or get away from a cat?

I really would tell someone more than RSPCA.

Kids in bad families need much more help than they get - sadly, social services don't rush in and take children away nearly as much as people think they do - things have to be worse than desperate before there's much chance of that - but it doesn't help said kids (let alone help your chickens) to let things go too easily.

VM

Joined: 23 Nov 2007
Posts: 1748
Location: Lincolnshire

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 09 2:54 pm Post subject:
And really sorry to hear about your hen! We lost one to vandalism earlier this year - kids (I assume) broke into the run on our allotment and opened hen house so they were all out - one hen was missing - maybe kids took her, though I suspect a passing fox just as likely once they were out of the run. Was glad not to have to deal with mangled corpse, but it was upsetting anyway.

SarahB

Joined: 09 Sep 2007
Posts: 869
Location: South Wales

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 09 3:40 pm Post subject:

VM wrote:

If your chicken might have escaped into their garden, that makes it a bit better than if they'd come into yours, looking to do harm. But I don't believe the trampoline/cat story, do you? I think they'd have heard something if cat was going for chicken and anyway, can't an adult hen usually stand up to or get away from a cat?

Exactly - the hen concerned frequently saw off cats from inside the run and I don't think the rspca bloke has any idea how serious an adult hen can be! I don't believe that part of the story for a second.

Mrs Baggins

Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Posts: 837
Location: West Kent

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 09 9:55 pm Post subject:

It's all very well saying these kids have a horrid existence. That is extremely sad and I wish things were different for them -I really do...

However, at what point does a CHILD break into someone's garden and take a chicken or a cat or a rabbit or whatever and kill it? And not in a humane way either... I'm sorry but anyone who can do that really is crossing a line and the fact they can do that at all, goes to the true colours of a person rather than the circumstances they find themselves in.

Lots of ppl in this world have had crap childhoods but they don't all go out stealing and torturing and sticking their two fingers up at the 'authorities' causing upset and dismay.

Little shits. And they wonder why ppl want to throw the book at them.

Oh and after seeing one of my cats stalking one of my chickens yesterday (and my cats are prolific hunters!) and getting her head kicked in for trying - I doubt their chicken on a trampoline story. What a load of garbage. They're taking the piss.

Really sorry Sarah. Sorry you're so upset. Sorry your kids are upset. I hope one day these kids understand what they've actually done.

Mutton

Joined: 09 May 2009
Posts: 1508

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 09 12:45 pm Post subject:

Ditto regarding cats - our rat hunting 12lb ex-tom is extremely cautious about chickens. Even respects few week old chicks without mum around. Chickens are definitely in the dangerous category in his head.

I've seen our hens, especially ones with chicks, do their best to kill a rat that ran through their outhouse. I've once seen one hunt, kill and eat a mouse on our lawn. Chickens are omnivore predators.

jenn

Joined: 07 Jan 2009
Posts: 476
Location: oxfordshire

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 09 9:29 pm Post subject:
sympathies, but as others have said do tell the police, they will log it and give you a crime no I would think, so if there is any other kind of problem it will have been recorded that you have notified them. the police will look at it as a crime rather than the useless rspca who are only concerned with possible cruelty jenn

northmoor

Joined: 08 Aug 2008
Posts: 380

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 09 10:27 pm Post subject:

Soapnutter wrote:

VM wrote:

Sorry to hear your tale, whatever do gooders say kids at a very young age understand pain and know how to avoid it, therfore they also know it is wrong to inflict pain.

I dont advocate violence, however if it had been my chicken i may have slapped the parents and threatened to drowned the kids, or let my ikkle puppy growl and snavel at them a little

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