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cab

Joined: 01 Nov 2004
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 04 9:53 am Post subject:

Legion wrote:

No it isnt sean, the start of my post cleary says what is happening to the site where they sprayed the 'sludge' a couple of years ago. I was horrified they even allowed it, but not suprised with the results. We did tests on this kind of thing over 15 years ago in yorkshire - though they were never confirmed, I had living ( well sort of ) proof at the time, but it was just dismissed, and nothing in my books is a co-incidence, anyhow you read the result.

So where do you propose that the sludge should go? Should it merely disappear somehow? Should it be dumped at sea? What do you propose?

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The fish are a different matter, look at the suspected putbreak on south uist? where has all their waste been going?was the same lorry used to pick up waste from other fish farms - were uncleaned tubs left - has the waste passed though any water couses where they could drip?..more importantly is anyone looking into it? and where has this disease come from , and how?...so yes, I arent well pleased that it drives right past my door, up to 24 tons at a time on a huge articulated lorry, and is then spred on fields that I used to walk my dogs near..........but we'll see, we'll see!!

Again, what do you propose should happen to the waste?

Legion

Joined: 24 Nov 2004
Posts: 170
Location: Western isles, Scotland

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 04 12:12 pm Post subject:
As we have no sewerage treatment plant as such up here, leave the stuff where it was in the first place - same with the fish - they used to send them abroad, why not now? Waste is the problem or by product of an industry its thats industries responsibility - not turn the islands land into a dumping ground for god knows what in the future...but , hey, what do I care its not on my land.......

sean
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Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: North Devon

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 04 12:15 pm Post subject:
Legion, sorry misread your original post.

cab

Joined: 01 Nov 2004
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 04 12:23 pm Post subject:

Legion wrote:

As we have no sewerage treatment plant as such up here, leave the stuff where it was in the first place - same with the fish - they used to send them abroad, why not now? Waste is the problem or by product of an industry its thats industries responsibility - not turn the islands land into a dumping ground for god knows what in the future...but , hey, what do I care its not on my land.......

Sending it abroad doesn't solve the problem. It moves it.

And yes, for a lot of waste it's the responsibility of the Industry producing it to rid themselves of it. In this case they're spreading it on the land and as far as they're concerned it's safe to do so. You have not demonstrated otherwise.

Legion

Joined: 24 Nov 2004
Posts: 170
Location: Western isles, Scotland

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 04 3:05 pm Post subject:

For gods sake cab , calm down youll bust a blood vessel - I just point out these things - like the guga and wind farms - showing politics and the guardians of the countryside at their very worst - I havent even moved on to the hedgehogs and the mink yet, or the seals , so take a chill pill - or better still put the kettle on, cos, theres nowt either you nor me can do about it, just bring to light the worst possible scenario - which usually happens.......so let it, but never fail to notice or bring it to the attention of others!! now is it your turn for the biscuits - or is essex boy about?, he's good for a choccie hobnob at times like these.......

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45674
Location: Essex

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 04 3:20 pm Post subject:
Just about to have my sarnie

Legion

Joined: 24 Nov 2004
Posts: 170
Location: Western isles, Scotland

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 04 3:35 pm Post subject:
Jeez, tahir, felt the water going particularly chilly there..... all looks better after a good brew!! or sarnie (pieces up here) as the case maybe.....whatever

cab

Joined: 01 Nov 2004
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 04 4:28 pm Post subject:

Legion wrote:

For gods sake cab , calm down youll bust a blood vessel

I am calm, thank you.

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- I just point out these things - like the guga and wind farms - showing politics and the guardians of the countryside at their very worst - I havent even moved on to the hedgehogs and the mink yet, or the seals , so take a chill pill

One topic at a time, eh?

You've made some claims about something being handled wrongly. Would you address the questions put to you on the subject of those claims, please?

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- or better still put the kettle on, cos, theres nowt either you nor me can do about it, just bring to light the worst possible scenario - which usually happens.......so let it, but never fail to notice or bring it to the attention of others!! now is it your turn for the biscuits - or is essex boy about?, he's good for a choccie hobnob at times like these.......

You're dodging the questions put to you. Your perogative, of course. But why are you doing it? You've made a set of claims that I presume you believe in. Therefore I presume you have information to back them up, or a better solution to what you currently perceive as a problem (other than the one you've suggested so far, which is to cart the waste of so as to make it someone elses problem).

Jonnyboy

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 23956
Location: under some rain.

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 04 5:00 pm Post subject:
ahhh Cab, spoiling for a good debate! I'll have to re-read this article, put my metaphorical wellies on and wade in.

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45674
Location: Essex

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 04 5:02 pm Post subject:
Shouldn't you be putting your waders on if you're going to wade in?

Jonnyboy

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Location: under some rain.

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 04 5:08 pm Post subject:
wellies scanned better.

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Essex

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 04 5:11 pm Post subject:
It'd be really good if we could get someone involved in aquaculture involved. I've always had qulams about it, but mostly gut instinct not fact based

cab

Joined: 01 Nov 2004
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 04 5:17 pm Post subject:

Tahir wrote:

It'd be really good if we could get someone involved in aquaculture involved. I've always had qulams about it, but mostly gut instinct not fact based

Years ago, I was forced to learn a hell of a lot more about aquaculture than I ever would have chosen. Best not to ask.

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45674
Location: Essex

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 04 5:26 pm Post subject:

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But what if the current bycatches that are thrown back dea into the sea were used for aquaculture?

?? better to say what if they were used for human consumption in the first place

Legion

Joined: 24 Nov 2004
Posts: 170
Location: Western isles, Scotland

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 04 8:37 am Post subject:

C',om cab, you know as well as we all do, the powers that be only employ yes men!! look at the mink over �3,500 cost per mink caught. But they did use politically correct methods - or so they say (we know different and have photos to prove) they should have had two teams, one with their scientific methods, the other using traditional location and dispatch methods - to compare the results. How can comparisons be made when there aint none?

As for what we am going to do - nowt!! I'll just bring it to your attention, sit back - as we always do- and watch it happen.....

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