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belinda De Marney
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 05 9:26 pm Post subject: purchasing an agirultural property
Question. I wa born in Rehill, lived in an agirculutal cottage (which we owned) in Surrrey, moving for early retirement to Portugal where we brought a 12,200 m2 plot with an exsisting cottage and an approved project for a family home. OK if we come back into the UK and want to buy an agricultural cottage again, would be eligible to do so?

Nick

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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 05 9:39 pm Post subject:
Being Portugese is irrelevant. We're all European now. Anything that's open to someone born and bred in Surrey is open to anyone from anywhere in the EU.

sean
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 05 9:41 pm Post subject:
If you mean somewhere with an agricultural tie though then I suspect you can't, because you're retired. Though the rules on this seem to be horrendously complex and that's just my interpretation.

portwayfarm

Joined: 30 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 05 6:41 am Post subject:

Either you or partner would have to come out of retirement as a general rule. As the ag tie means that the main source of income would have to come from the workings of the property.

Check with the local council as there are slight variations on the general requirements. Also check what the tie is for - goats, sheep, horticulture etc as that is legally what you would have to work in. To change for example from main income of tie being sheep to pigs you would have to apply for a change of agricultutal use which requires the permisson of the planning dept and parish council if there is one. Also if the property does not have a garden and you want to convert some of the land to a back garden you should legally apply for change of use from agriultral to domestic. Which can be hard to get.

Good luck and remember that propertys are about 30% less if they have a tie.

wellington womble

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Location: East Midlands

Posted: Sat Jul 23, 05 8:46 am Post subject:
All the ag tied properties I've seen include retired agricultural workers, but usually only local ones - I don't know whether your allowed a gap in between. Its a legal thing, isn't - so who would decide - not the council, and not a private solicitor (but they could advise you) - maybe planning?

belinda De Marney
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 05 10:50 am Post subject: Bruxinha

Whilst I thank Nick Howe for taking the touble to reply to my question re: eligibility to reside in an agircultural property. Nevertheless Nick, I did find your reply somewhat rude, in that and with respect, one would feel that what you stated is pretty obvious and therefore, fail to understand the reason why you needed to make such comment.

From a person who believe's that she is a a human being who resides on a planet called earth, belonging to one of the most ancient tribes who any true old farmer would confirm, being hard workers of the land, with a knowledge far in excess of most. My tribe having been persecuted long before the Jewish Tribe. I was born at the tail end of World War II, and for my protection incase Hitler got to England was given up by my family and never to see my mother and sister again until 3 years ago, in a grave. So please I do wish to be told by you or anyone what I may or may not wish to belong to. I.e. I respect the fact that you wish to be viewed as belonging to something, as I wish to view "my freedom" of choice on what I feel and think, which goes far beyond being a European.

My ancestors belonging to the same tribe as Charlie Chaplin, Yul Brenner, David Essex(Cooper), Rita Hayworth, Princess Diane's former adviser. No we are not just Europeans nor "Gyspies" alongside roads making a mess everywhere, but very proud Romanies from all walks of life and above all citizens of the World.
Sorry Nick you hit a real raw nerve with me by trying to put me in a box called "European".

Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 05 10:52 am Post subject:
Sean, Many Thanks for taking the trouble to reply. Belinda De Marney

Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 05 11:00 am Post subject:
Dear "wellington womble" I truly love the name. Many thanks for the information and yes thinking about what you say and all the other helpful information that I have received, it may well be that we need to look into the "planning" regulations. Oh dear no doubt more red tape. But then if I was honest I feel that the countrside has to be protected for all. Belinda De Marney

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 05 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Bruxinha

belinda De Marney wrote:

I didn't think his comment was rude or in anyway malicious, it was a perfectly reasonable if curt response to your question. As we are all EC citizens there is no LEGAL reason that you would be treated any differently when buying a property with an agricultural tie, your eligibility will rest as far as I understand it solely on from where your income is derived.

It'd be interesting to hear more about the Romany contribution to farming in the UK (as long as David Essex isn't involved

)

Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 05 11:25 am Post subject: Re: Bruxinha

re: Nick Howe. both you and Nick Howe would appear to have not understood my first enquiry and then my repsonse. Are you the same?

Any University, library, historians in the UK or the World will supply you with an absolute wealth of information with regard the Romanies and the ancient skills and all makes interesting study and reading. I.e. I did not know my true indenity until about 3yrs ago having been brought up in a very English home and girls school, all of which I am very thankful for.

With regard your comment on David Essex, who is the present President of the Council... of course if you have personal knowledge of David Essex then I respect your point of view. If not than I must ask that you look beyond the cover. I ask this of you, because whilst not shouted from the roofstops, his charity with the under privilege knows no bounds. Thank you for your reply and shall we just say that we respect each others different opinions on Nick Howe's obvious to "alls" rather silly comment.

Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 05 11:35 am Post subject:
I'm confused, the origional poster didn't say they were Portugese?

tahir

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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 05 11:36 am Post subject:
My intention was not to denigrate Mr Essex but purely an obviously pathetically flawed attempt at humour. I was serious when I said it'd be interesting to hear more about the Romany contribution to British agriculture as I understand it's been huge. Good luck with your move. p.s. Mr Howe and myself are in no way connected, except occasionally by sense of humour.

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 05 11:39 am Post subject:

Anonymous wrote:

I'm confused, the origional poster didn't say they were Portugese?

No, but living in Portugal he may have assumed you became a resident or whatever. I've looked at moving to France from England but I would still probably need to become a French citizen if I intended to stay there.

Your main question is if you can live in a tied house while retired. That I have no idea about but there are various solicitors who may advise for free or you could try the National Farmers Union or other such bodies.

hils

Joined: 08 Mar 2005
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Location: Nottingham

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 05 11:39 am Post subject:
eh?

Jonnyboy

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 05 11:39 am Post subject:
Don't worry Tahir I got the joke. I think some well intentioned responses have been misinterpreted.

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