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Hairyloon

Joined: 20 Nov 2008
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 11 10:46 pm Post subject:

Nick wrote:

Hairyloon wrote:

Bebo wrote:

The sort of person who is worried about those occupying it getting rights to keep it ('adverse possession')

The simple way to prevent that is to have a deal with them...
Although nowadays you don't need to worry at all if the property is registered.

In what way is it simple to come to a deal with someone with no assets, no fixed abode other than yours, no security and nothing to lose?

Why don't you read the question?

marigold wrote:

What sort of person would rather let a building rot than negotiate with people who want to live in it and are willing to do repairs?

Where is the problem?
If they have nothing, and no job, then they will be eligible for housing benefit, so it is no skin of their nose to pay you rent.

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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Location: Hereford

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 11 10:52 pm Post subject:
Then we are not talking about squatters, but tenants. Did you read the title?

Hairyloon

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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 11 11:01 pm Post subject:

Nick wrote:

Then we are not talking about squatters, but tenants. Did you read the title?

Is not me that is having trouble with reading tonight.

Hairyloon wrote:

The simple way to prevent that is to have a deal with them...

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
Posts: 34535
Location: Hereford

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 11 11:05 pm Post subject:

Hairyloon wrote:

Nick wrote:

Then we are not talking about squatters, but tenants. Did you read the title?

Is not me that is having trouble with reading tonight.

Hairyloon wrote:

The simple way to prevent that is to have a deal with them...

https://forum.downsizer.net/viewtopic.php?p=1167304#1167304

I'll leave you to it. As I say, you want to hand over an asset like that, best of luck. I guess you have more money than sense.

Hairyloon

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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 11 11:15 pm Post subject:
Perhaps you should start [https://forum.downsizer.net/viewtopic.php?p=1167207#1167207[/url] and work through it. Or if you are still struggling, come back to me and I'll spell it out. Sorry, wrong link. Last edited by Hairyloon on Sat Oct 01, 11 8:27 am; edited 1 time in total

onemanband

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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 11 12:05 am Post subject:

Hairyloon wrote:

marigold wrote:

What sort of person would rather let a building rot than negotiate with people who want to live in it and are willing to do repairs?

Where is the problem?
If they have nothing, and no job, then they will be eligible for housing benefit, so it is no skin of their nose to pay you rent.

'willing to do repairs' - what a lick of paint, patch a few leaks, basic repairs ? Maybe. But I can't see squaters(or non-rent paying tenants) paying the thousands or tens of thousands to bring some of these properties upto a proper standard compliant with regulations.

'housing benefit' - if rent is being paid/claimed then the property must meet minimum standards. The cost of renovating a property to the proper standard could take years to recoup from rent and may not suit the owners future plans for the building.

You can't rent-out a derelict building for habitable use. Even if you let someone live for free in a derelict building you would probably be liable if there was a fire and they died.

Hairyloon

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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 11 1:03 am Post subject:

onemanband wrote:

But I can't see squaters(or non-rent paying tenants) paying the thousands or tens of thousands to bring some of these properties upto a proper standard compliant with regulations.

Best just let them rot then.

Bebo

Joined: 21 May 2007
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Location: East Sussex

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 11 4:37 am Post subject:

Hairyloon wrote:

onemanband wrote:

But I can't see squaters(or non-rent paying tenants) paying the thousands or tens of thousands to bring some of these properties upto a proper standard compliant with regulations.

Best just let them rot then.

If the intention is to knock them down and build something else once you've sorted out planning etc it is best for the owner to just let them rot. They own it, their choice.

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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Location: Hereford

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 11 6:46 am Post subject:

Hairyloon wrote:

Perhaps you should start here and work through it.

Or if you are still struggling, come back to me and I'll spell it out.

Nope, you'll have to spell it out. I don't see how that shows me it's easy for me to turn a redundant property full of squatters into a safe, legal, rented home where the landlord benefits. Perhaps you could illustrate with examples?

Hairyloon

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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 11 8:22 am Post subject:

Bebo wrote:

If the intention is to knock them down and build something else...

Then it doesn't matter a damn what the squatters do to it.

Bebo

Joined: 21 May 2007
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Location: East Sussex

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 11 8:23 am Post subject:

Hairyloon wrote:

Bebo wrote:

If the intention is to knock them down and build something else...

Then it doesn't matter a damn what the squatters do to it.

It does if you can't get them out when you want to. See my earlier wiki link.

I've decided that I'm becoming more right wing as I get older. The lazy buggers should just get a job and either buy or rent the property they live in like everyone else does.

Last edited by Bebo on Sat Oct 01, 11 8:25 am; edited 1 time in total

Hairyloon

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Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 11 8:24 am Post subject:

Nick wrote:

Nope, you'll have to spell it out. I don't see how that shows me it's easy for me to turn a redundant property full of squatters into a safe, legal, rented home where the landlord benefits.

Than was not the question on the table though was it?

marigold wrote:

What sort of person would rather let a building rot than negotiate with people who want to live in it and are willing to do repairs?

Bebo wrote:

The sort of person who is worried about those occupying it getting rights to keep it.

Hairyloon wrote:

The simple way to prevent that is to have a deal with them...

marigold

Joined: 02 Sep 2005
Posts: 12458
Location: West Sussex

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 11 8:48 am Post subject:

It's not quite as simple as having a deal with them though, is it? It can be hard to get rid of tenants you do have a legal agreement with if they decide to misbehave.

I still can't make up my mind - on the one hand, yes a property owner should be able to do what they like with what they own, but on the other hand, is it right for some people to have a vast excess of possessions when others have none (and not much chance of obtaining any through honest graft)?

Hairyloon

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Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 11 9:02 am Post subject:

marigold wrote:

I still can't make up my mind...

If you are looking for a "one size fits all" answer to such a multi-faceted question, then you are wasting your time.
The black and white examples exist in theory, but everything else is shades of grey.
Where you draw the line is up to you.

onemanband

Joined: 26 Dec 2010
Posts: 1473
Location: NCA90

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 11 9:10 am Post subject:

If you 'make a deal' with somebody to live in a run down property then you will probably be in breach of all sorts of housing regulations.

Bedford house is a grade II listed building. I'm not that familiar with listed building rules but I would guess this is why Bedford house has stood empty for 20 years. What damage are these squatters doing to a listed building ?

There's some interesting looking plants in the pictures. Anybody care to ID them ?

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