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Bebo

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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 13 10:24 am Post subject: Is it just me that thinks this is daft?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21051062 Seems to open up opportunities for people who have gone through acrimonious splits to get at their partners.

Nick

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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 13 10:26 am Post subject:
It'll depend on how it's implemented, but I can see some merit. As another question, what happens when an abused current partner refuses to sign, and the abuser finds out? Or just suspects?

Hairyloon

Joined: 20 Nov 2008
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 13 10:47 am Post subject:

As a suggestion, it is not without merit:

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The home secretary said it was "not appropriate" for people with a history of domestic violence to own guns.

Is she wrong?

RichardW

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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 13 10:48 am Post subject:
Will this actually reduce crime/killings? Domestic violence is bad, but when was the last time someone (IE a partner or ex partner) was shot in the UK with a legally held firearm. When was the last time a domestic abuser killed someone else? I am not saying that this is not a good step in the right direction but is it a knew jerk reaction when better changes could be made?

Hairyloon

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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 13 10:54 am Post subject:

Nick wrote:

As another question, what happens when an abused current partner refuses to sign, and the abuser finds out? Or just suspects?

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In Canada, spouses or recent ex-spouses are required to sign gun licence application forms. If they decline, additional checks are carried out on the applicant.

Seems fair enough.

Nick

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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 13 10:56 am Post subject:
I didn't mean what's the following process, I meant how does the violent husband take it, and what does he do?

Penny Outskirts

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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 13 10:58 am Post subject:
When Steve got his licence, they asked if his ex-wife was mentally stable... he lied

Nick

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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 13 10:59 am Post subject:
And his new partner?

Penny Outskirts

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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 13 10:59 am Post subject:

Nick wrote:

And his new partner?

Scarily I was in the room, and they seemed to think it was OK

Hairyloon

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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 13 11:00 am Post subject:

Nick wrote:

I didn't mean what's the following process, I meant how does the violent husband take it, and what does he do?

Hopefully they make the additional checks and lock him (or her) up.

Bebo

Joined: 21 May 2007
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 13 11:01 am Post subject:

Hairyloon wrote:

As a suggestion, it is not without merit:

Quote:

The home secretary said it was "not appropriate" for people with a history of domestic violence to own guns.

Is she wrong?

On the face of it that's fair enough. But how do you stop a malicious ex-partner saying that they don't give permission for their ex-partner to own a gun, if that's going to be the requirement?

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 13 11:04 am Post subject:

It might be reasonable in theory but in practice I can't see it doing anything apart from making the process even more arduous than it is.

Most, if not all, the headline shootings done with legally held guns in the UK there were sufficient reasons for the police to consider withholding the licence anyway. As has been said is there much, or any, proof that there is a need for more legislation?

Even if there's proof what will probably happen is the worst offenders' spouses probably will not say anything and those from acrimonious splits will.

One thing that never seems to come up is should people who would fail to obtain a SGC or FAC be allowed to buy knives, drive cars etc which have all been used to kill people.

alison
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 13 11:12 am Post subject:
I can see vindictive and manipulative ex wives having a field day with this.

vegplot

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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 13 11:20 am Post subject:

Why? Incident of gun crime with legally held firearms is very low in the UK.

She's probably correct in her assertion that people with a violent history shouldn't posses a firearms licence but is this currently a problem that need her attention to solve? Local Firearms Officers and Constabularies already have that discretion.

Suspect she's using the US shooting, which has almost no bearing to how the UK handles firearms legislation, as a political tool to boost Tory popularity with a non-vote losing but largely irrelevant policy proposal.

Hairyloon

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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 13 11:31 am Post subject:

alison wrote:

I can see vindictive and manipulative ex wives having a field day with this.

What is to stop vindictive ex-wives making false claims of abuse in any case?
If I was making the rules, I'd make the first point of "further investigation" an interview with the spouse to look for abuse.

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