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vegplot
Joined: 19 Apr 2007 Posts: 21301 Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 15 11:43 am Post subject: |
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vegplot wrote: |
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and you found your ignorance as well. |
My dear fellow downsizer Vegplot, a bit of a personal problem, I'm currently bed-ridden due to a health issue. I know I can rely on you not to be even slightly sympathetic, for which i am grateful. However, as a result I have been able to give our latest run-in a lot of thought.
Our differences over OSes illustrate the problem nicely (IMHO).
I have observed over the years that you have a considerable in-depth knowledge of computing and software development. Similarly, over many years in IT, I too, have acquired such knowledge. However, when you compare the sub-set of human knowledge in your brain with that in mine, the lack of overlap is, lets be honest, frightening (IMHO).
It must be the same with hunting, shooting and field-sports.
I am not ignorant. I am not a "Townie". I am a City dweller. For the past 34 years I have lived on the outskirts of Liverpool. Ecology has long been of great interest to me, (since A levels) and I find Rob's tales of hill farming fascinating (but we'll never agree on beef portion size). My studies of the importance and management of upland areas will be directed by the importance of the Lake Vyrnwy Nature Reserve and Estate.
Field sports are a totally alien concept to me, (City Dweller - remember) and on the rare occasions that me and the shooters have bumped into each other, (three times so far) they did rather antagonise me.
So, yet again, we have two large sub-sets of human knowledge with a frightening lack of overlap.
I'm here to learn, I hang on because I have learnt quite a lot so far.
PS. it was wrong of me to be deliberately antagonistic. No promises but I will try to stop. |
No harm done and thank you. I made a personal comment in public which I shouldn't have done. My apologies. I should have been more polite about it. |
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vegplot
Joined: 19 Apr 2007 Posts: 21301 Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd
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Tavascarow
Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 8407 Location: South Cornwall
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 15 11:51 am Post subject: |
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oldish chris wrote: |
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Those who think field sports is the preserve of the wealthy have a very narrow view and limited understanding of the sport.
Conversation relies, in part, on the activities of field sports which not only help enrichen biological diversity but also provide valuable revenues for many rural enterprises. By taking an emotional and onesided look at the whole debate serves no real purpose but I expect many who take a vitriolic stance against any form of field sport care not a jot about anything else except their own opinion. |
OK! Add to "wealthy", nouveau riche, or anybody who isn't an actual creative type who has a cue about ecology. So, with 1,000s of acres of uplands, massive potential for productivity, or simply to create fresh air and water, some of us refer to charge over it in RangeRovers, run around in Barbour Jackets and shoot everything that moves. Gosh, that's delayed climate change by a 100 years!!!
Hey Nick, I've found where I'd left my chip - Its back in place. |
I can see both sides of the argument.
I used to shoot with a shotgun, mainly rabbits & pigeons over my dads farm & neighbours. Occasional duck & woodcock in the winter months. I don't have a problem if anyone else want to continue doing that as long as they respect the countryside & the welfare of their quarry.
Likewise at the 'richer' end of the sport. Shooting pheasant, grouse, hare or deer isn't cruel if done properly.
A lot less cruel, if the truth be known than the majority of animals that go through our more industrial abartoirs, but we (as a nation) turn a blind eye to that.
Maintenance of habitat for say grouse also creates & protects habitat for rarer species like ptarmigan & mountain hares.
Like wise control of deer populations. Because we as a species removed red deer only natural predator centuries ago, left uncontrolled their populations can become so large they cause large amounts of habitat destruction. If they are stalked & shot humanely I see no problem.
I do take issue with coursing & fox hunting because with coursing IMHO catching a wild animal only to release it later to be killed by dogs isn't that far from bull, bear & badger baiting, which have all been illegal for decades.
Likewise fox hunting. Running a wild animal to ground, turning in terriers & eventually shooting or as sometimes happens the hounds getting there first is both cruel & not effective as a control method IMHO.
A man with a lamp, a squeak & a high velocity rifle can kill a lot more foxes in a night than a hunt will in a season.
Is it any crueller for me to work my terriers on rats over say traps or poison? Even if you use live traps you have to destroy the rats by law , how are we going to achieve that? Poisons are a fairly painless way of killing vermin but I'm hearing reports of owls being poisoned after eating rats & mice. I don't want to poison the local owl population, there aren't many of them. But as I said earlier despite being a country boy who sees both sides I will still back the Greens because they are the only party addressing the real issues as I see them.
Hope you make a speedy recovery. |
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