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Hairyloon

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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 16 6:18 pm Post subject: RTA Sheep (what if).
I met a lot of sheep on the road last night (as you do, in certain areas). Also met a few less than careful drivers (though not on the same road). I was moved to wonder what is the proper course of action if one happens upon a badly injured sheep out in the wilds somewhere...

dpack

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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 16 7:48 pm Post subject:
kindness and report it to the police so as they can match eartag to owner.

Hairyloon

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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 16 7:51 pm Post subject:
That was my guess, but how best to administer the kindness?

dpack

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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 16 8:18 pm Post subject:

baby browning hi power

should you not happen to have one in the glove compartment a sharp knife to sever internal and external carotid arteries both sides is fairly swift and kinder that letting nature take it's course.

blunt force trauma to the head is a means of last resort but even if you have a long handled heavy hammer or felling axe (use the blunt side) and are fairly skilled with it tis likely to be messy and not a swift ,kind end.they have very solid skulls.

i spose garrote is possible as a post last resort resort but i have never heard how that might go.

Hairyloon

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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 16 8:22 pm Post subject:

dpack wrote:

a sharp knife to sever internal and external carotid arteries both sides is fairly swift and kinder that letting nature take it's course...

There is usually a Stanley type knife that lives in the car, but it is currently missing...

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i spose garrote is possible as a post last resort resort but i have never heard how that might go.

I shall hope to not need to let you know.

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 16 8:27 pm Post subject:

I would have thought you'd follow similar process to deer road collisions. If you're able to use an appropriate firearm and if you're not call the police and they should have a list of people who can come out and do the deed. I'm not sure of the legality of using a knife although it has been suggested if you do nothing you're also breaking the law.

Edit to add this might be useful, although I doubt you'd be carrying a 5" fixed blade as you're unlikely to have good reason ("I might stumble across a wounded sheep officer" probably isn't good enough.)

https://www.bestpracticeguides.org.uk/culling/humane-dispatch2

dpack

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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 16 10:21 pm Post subject:

if one has tree dismantling gear a 5" fixed blade is a very legitimate carry as you may need to cut oneself free of a rope or harness one handed while dangling like spider dinner .(although when i had to do that i used a 3" one handed opening lock knife on a string which would also be difficult to explain in the wrong place with the wrong copper

)

that said treac's linky seems pretty useful to have at the back of one's mind for a just in case situation.

i wouldn't choose a stanley knife as a dispatch tool but it could be used if there was no viable kinder way available in a reasonable timescale.

Hairyloon

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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 16 10:22 pm Post subject:

Treacodactyl wrote:

I doubt you'd be carrying a 5" fixed blade as you're unlikely to have good reason...

I quite often travel with a chainsaw in the boot, but not often with a firearm or a knife of that size.
In the absence of the means to make an appropriate phone call, it looks like dpack's garrotte would be the best option.

dpack

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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 16 10:57 pm Post subject:
i have never tried chainsaw vs sheep but even if the wool didn�t jam the chain it wouldn�t be pretty and the tableau in the passing headlights might be a bit difficult to explain. it seems likely it would be fatal (wool jam permitting) in a remove the head sort of style but i recon things would be pretty desperate before i considered it the best/kindest option.

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 16 7:13 am Post subject:

Hairyloon wrote:

Treacodactyl wrote:

I doubt you'd be carrying a 5" fixed blade as you're unlikely to have good reason...

I would have thought you'd be checking with a local farmer first, if it's not their animal they are likely to know who's it is and have a phone.

Hairyloon

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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 16 8:51 am Post subject:

Treacodactyl wrote:

Hairyloon wrote:

Treacodactyl wrote:

I doubt you'd be carrying a 5" fixed blade as you're unlikely to have good reason...

I would have thought you'd be checking with a local farmer first, if it's not their animal they are likely to know who's it is and have a phone.

So leave it be and go look for the nearest house?

Nick

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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 16 9:43 am Post subject:
Yes. I can't believe this is even a conversation.

dpack

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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 16 10:34 am Post subject:

on much of the pennines the nearest house might be quite a distance away ,but they might have a phone,thinking about it the nearest mechanic or ambulance might also be some distance away so having a phone about one's person is a fairly good idea.

on the high peaks many of the sheep are untagged/feral and the few hill farmers left are often miles away from any they own that are roaming among the unfenced roads on the tops so best bet is usually to let the coppers sort out ownership .im sure the "proper" response to a rta sheep is call plod and let them send a culler but im not sure i would want to sit for an hour or more with a part eviscerated sheep twitching it's life away slowly at the side of the road.

Hairyloon

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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 16 11:15 am Post subject:

Nick wrote:

Yes. I can't believe this is even a conversation.

I just wanted to confirm that leaving an animal suffering was the right thing to do when the nearest aid may be several hours away.

dpack wrote:

All very well having a phone, but if there is no signal, then they don't work.

gregotyn

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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 16 10:23 am Post subject:
So what is the law regarding pocket knives? I use penknives and Stanley knives at work, I and always have a spare of each. As I get older I forget where I have left them, and they would disappear if I left them at work overnight.

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