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chez

Joined: 13 Aug 2006
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Location: The Hive of the Uberbee, Quantock Hills, Somerset

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 16 3:17 pm Post subject:

I think one of the points is that domestic poultry provide a contact with humans. So humans can then spread it. So if the chap who works at Bernard Matthews visits his aunty who has a few hens, who get it from wild birds and he drives through infected faeces in her drive and then goes to work in the same car and has it on his tyres, it spreads. I suppose the same goes for the wild bird feeding stations. I wonder what's happening at places like Slimbridge? Are they closing for the duration?

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Location: yes

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 16 3:32 pm Post subject:

it isnt as much about spreading it as such but if a human with say an H1N1 (this years special offer ) strain also got the birdy version the virus can gene swap and potentially create a real monster.

the potential direct damage from a birdy strain is mostly to the birdy industry as in humans it usually isnt much worse than a very bad cold and does not easily transmit either bird to human (drinking blood is a bad idea) or human to human.

SteveP

Joined: 23 Jan 2008
Posts: 155
Location: North Devon

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 16 4:00 pm Post subject:
If anyone wants to track the H5N8 cases, a link taken from https://recombinomics.co/ has it plotted on google maps. https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&authuser=0&mid=1aNOepBDPUd0zdRnQE1UbSW8djsk&ll=48.811159431015916%2C10.67871096875001&z=6 A long URL sorry.

chez

Joined: 13 Aug 2006
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Location: The Hive of the Uberbee, Quantock Hills, Somerset

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 16 5:03 pm Post subject:
Interesting, thank you.

Green Rosie

Joined: 13 May 2007
Posts: 10498
Location: Calvados, France

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 16 5:17 pm Post subject:
From a French site I am following it looks like there is a handful more cases n the SW of France plus one in the Alps but nothing, to date, anywhere else.

Treacodactyl
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Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Jumping on the bandwagon of opportunism

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 16 6:02 pm Post subject:
Poultry gatherings are now also suspended: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/poultry-gatherings-suspended-following-avian-flu-case

Green Rosie

Joined: 13 May 2007
Posts: 10498
Location: Calvados, France

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 16 7:23 pm Post subject:
A wild duck in S Wales has now been identified with bird flu.

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 16 7:26 pm Post subject:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38405889

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46233
Location: yes

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 16 8:11 pm Post subject:

hope the keep em in precautions work for those who have.

the bbc might be right about transfer of "this strain" to humans but i think i remember some cases of bird based strains being transferred to humans among Asian poultry workers via the birds blood which some drink warm as a snack while working at slaughter time.

who linky about transfer of h5n1.

the current avian strain is h5n8 but that is no reason to get all vampiric with this years xmas dinner.

Bodger

Joined: 23 May 2006
Posts: 13524

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 16 5:42 pm Post subject:
There were cases of humans getting bird flu out in places like the far east but they were virtually living and sleeping in the same rooms as their birds.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Location: yes

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 17 8:55 pm Post subject:
linky to why good biosecurity makes sense even for a few birds.

efwellywoman

Joined: 27 Feb 2011
Posts: 8

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 17 11:21 pm Post subject:

Has to be said that though I had expected it to be a complete and total pain, my birds are actually loving it in the polytunnels - mainly strawed down, but I'm digging a patch a day in each tunnel for them to scratch in & have been able to keep them in their normal groups (42+26+23) so not getting any social issues so far. They are so happy that I'm even beginning to think of doing the same thing again next winter - no mud, no torrents....I even sat in with my Welsummer flock this morning for a teabreak (yes I was properly footbathed....) Does anyone else over winter their birds in polytunnels? Any thoughts or experiences to share?

NorthernMonkeyGirl

Joined: 10 Apr 2011
Posts: 4630
Location: Peeping over your shoulder

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 17 11:49 pm Post subject:
I know they're used in some permaculture places to clean up in between cropping periods. Don't see why overwintering inside would be a problem, given sufficient ventilation and predator security I imagine the natural light would be good for them over winter?

Green Rosie

Joined: 13 May 2007
Posts: 10498
Location: Calvados, France

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 17 7:29 am Post subject:
I was going to put my ducks in the polytunnel but for me it was to complicated - I'd need to fox proof the outside and clear a lot of thing out of there that would otherwise get pooped on. How do you deal with fox security efwellywoman?

NorthernMonkeyGirl

Joined: 10 Apr 2011
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Location: Peeping over your shoulder

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 17 3:39 pm Post subject:
Extended to end Feb https://www.farminguk.com/news/OFC17-Poultry-housing-order-to-be-extended-until-end-of-February-due-to-bird-flu-risk_45233.html

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