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Mistress Rose

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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 22 8:35 am Post subject:
I don't know how they do this, but I am sure if you are into that sort of thing it is quite easy. If we take out insurance for something, which I assume they have to, it asks if any of the directors have been bankrupt so shouldn't get insurance if they are truthful or the insurance companies do their job, apart from anything else like the rules for incorporating a company.

dpack

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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 22 9:00 am Post subject:
a few quid and a couple of hours will get a registered company in many jurisdictions companies house is ok, scottish partnerships are ace, etc then that firm buys another one etc, banks via private jurisdictions or ones with flexible interpretations of transparency. separate profit from liability is one of the pillars of exploitation

Slim

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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 22 10:09 am Post subject:
I do like that the piece you linked had the clear solution in it. Make them post bonds up front that will cover cleanup costs. Simple, and straightforward.

Shane

Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Location: Doha. Is hot.

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 22 11:38 am Post subject:
That's what happens out this way - the regulator forces operating companies to pay into an escrow account every year. Payments are calculated to ensure that there is enough in the escrow account to cover the full cost of decommissioning at the end of a facility's lifetime.

dpack

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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 22 5:52 pm Post subject:

for all the anti propaganda re hot place oil states, some have started to be sensible on now, legacy and long future issues seem to matter to the wiser ones

i recon a robovac, (maybe with electrostatic but simple is nice) and venturi combination has potential as automatic fettling

got any dust?

it might be as easy as slurp it off without breaking the vac kit or scratching the panel:wink:

clean a card or clean a panel are very similar tasks in many ways

the engineering is off the shelf stuff

red dwarf scutters that have not got stroppy or slack might be a goal

this can be done, in a sunny place, mostly sunny with little else, it might be useful

oil and gas will be run out, export leccy or green hydrogen or whatever makes sense for later

the dust thing can be sorted

dpack

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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 22 3:00 am Post subject:
bit of a swerve but relevant a new income stream from big sunny sand and rock would more than cover any legacy works and it might be better than the last 100 yrs or so

Shane

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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 22 4:18 am Post subject:
I can't really comment in any detail on a public forum, but I would suggest that rebranding and public statements of good intentions should be considered in a more strategic sense.

dpack

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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 22 5:24 am Post subject:
oh well, comforting words are a comfort

Mistress Rose

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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 22 8:01 am Post subject:
Certainly the generation of solar power is a potential big money maker. Even back in the early 1970s it was calculated that a country the size of Egypt could make enough electricity for the whole world. Problems come, as we have discussed before, with storage and transmission.

dpack

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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 22 1:28 pm Post subject:
use or export leccy by cable if there is brine as well as leccy, hydrogen, chlorine and naoh( the latter two may be in over supply but a problem that is solvable, a new salt and water cycle n all that) are easy we just borrow the hydrogen for a while should work as a closed system better chemical engineers are welcome to try my hypothesis

dpack

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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 22 1:30 pm Post subject:
legacy needs sorting, i am flexible about how that is funded

Mistress Rose

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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 22 8:23 am Post subject:

I have read somewhere, but can't remember where, that there is a problem with exporting by cable. Don't remember any details either I am afraid. I do know that the relatively short distance across the English Channel is one thing, across the Mediterranean is a lot further, so far higher losses. And a lot it would need to come from the Middle East and be transported to Western Europe. It might be possible to do some chemical breakdowns and move something like hydrogen by pipeline in an energetically economical way.

Shane

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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 22 4:23 am Post subject:

Hydrogen is tough because the molecules are so small (and hence like to escape) unless sequestered somehow. Ammonia is being looked at as a potential shipping fuel of the future, although I certainly wouldn't want to be below decks if that leaked.

Moving electricity by cable is similar to moving liquid by pipeline. You can transport liquids short to medium distances without losing too much pressure, but if you tried to move liquid by pipeline from the Middle East to the UK using only one set of pumps at this end, even with a pipeline several feet in diameter there would be hardly any flow due to the frictional pressure losses in the line. Same with electricity - even with a cable 12 feet across there would be hardly any current flowing in a cable that long. As you say, much better to find an intermediate - and preferably liquid - form in which to transport power.

dpack

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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 22 6:50 am Post subject:

H2 is a nightmare to work with at any scale,
i prefer it to ethylene which is handled quite well by the petrochem folk

temporary sequestration as ammonia is plausible, but would have ammonia handling issues throughout the system and N oxides issues at point of use
other chemistry may be better

re long distance cable, current tech makes more than a couple of hundred miles unviable as a simple source to load system
use the sun locally, in 1830 the ironworks was built near the coal, the iron ore was easier to move than the coal etc

moving and using energy in a reactive chemical system will always have issues, not least combustion of fossil fuels

i am too ignorant, old and unfunded to make sun etc replace fossil but i recon it could be done

if and it is a huge IF humans tried to find ways to do it

journo version and techy version of a few of the reasons it has not yet been done.

dpack

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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 22 7:52 am Post subject:

i think my reasoning on this is the locals with sun for ever and a reducing fossil income stream that will become zero, no matter how nice it is now, might be persuaded that using some of their income to secure an income for their children/people long term is wise

stewardship and the responsibility of privilege is a powerful emotional argument and useful if manipulating the powerful
family, tribe and "god"(pick whichever might work)
quite often respect for stewardship is the feather on the seesaw

this sort of stuff is not just cash and geopolitics, sometimes it can be a few good words at the right time to the right person.

a grant to a university for transportable hydrogen sequestration research, the experimental sunmade manufacturing company etc

pitch high, pitch well and brutally honestly that they can make good or bad choices
it might be a theme or details
it may be a surprise, combining naked thursday life in a wood with unexpected cabinet level informal diplomacy was hysterically funny and done to the criteria above

ps the second minder who though he was stealth had no idea my stealth mutt was a few meters from him while the principal and minder one were treated as honoured guests.

it worked in mission terms, and it had a few other good consequences, perhaps including a wee nudge to some personal issues for the principal as well

personal and politics can be a good combo

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