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Ty Gwyn

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 4613
Location: Lampeter

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 23 1:06 pm Post subject:

NorthernMonkeyGirl wrote:

The website has broken in a few spots but there is a bit about the regions https://ancientcattleofwales.org/about-2/the-cattle/colours/

I've heard it said that horned animals are more secure because they know they could defend themselves, not sure if there is any truth to that, I couldn't pick out a general difference between Longhorns and Shorthorns in character.

I looked up Creuddyn Bridge, I don't know a herd there but there is one nearby on the A487. I bet there are plenty that aren't on facebook etc.

There used to be a herd of Glamorgan cattle on the Margam Park
estate,very similar markings to Gloucester cattle breed.

The Welsh Black of Pembrokeshire mentioned in the article were the Castle Martin a big rangey cow,a farm further up the mountain where i used to live milked them for a number of years.

Rhyd y Gof is the farm in Creuddyn Bridge alongside the A482,1/2ml past E J recycling,he has kept coloured Welsh for the 36yrs i`ve been here,Lewis Jones it is i believe,if you want his number,let me know.

On the map of herds on the link,there is a Gof herd,but more towards Tregaron but it did not give owner details,i`m wondering if they are one and the same.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46235
Location: yes

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 23 1:56 pm Post subject:

Old-Chads-Orchard wrote:

Ah yes access. The fields have a PoW at the top which I am going to fence off from the pasture, will mean losing about 1/2 an acre of useful ground but would rather than than allow muppets to wander about with the moo's. Currently have an issue with some leaflet on the Bishop Bennet Way having poor instructions so that walkers who cannot follow metal signs follow the leaflet and end up in the farm yard about 1/2 a mile off the path. New fence should stop that. Plan to spend this year preparing for moo's and look at getting some next year now.

hi there, planning some of the potential issues out of the equation at the first stage is sensible
moos and the public is a big un if it goes badly
the public will be silly eventually, and prevention is better than plausible duty of care issues later

re the public a mix of physical and psychosociological tactics seems to work
using 1/2 an acre differently* and buying some fencing in exchange for separating them from moos sort of accidental interactions.
if they have a moo problem they were in the wrong place, rather they did not expect it to happen

*finding a fun and nice use for a barrier strip might be a gain rather than the loss of 1/2 acre of moo food
in the greater scheme of things 1/2 acre is useful but useful as a nice barrier seems best

NorthernMonkeyGirl

Joined: 10 Apr 2011
Posts: 4630
Location: Peeping over your shoulder

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 23 7:46 pm Post subject:
Lots of schemes just now for woodland creation, could be a nice use for a scrap of land, bonus public access to trees benefits?

Old-Chads-Orchard

Joined: 07 Dec 2005
Posts: 394
Location: Malpas, Cheshire

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 23 7:57 pm Post subject:
Will use it to extend my orchard, want to steer well clear of grants & schemes.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46235
Location: yes

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 23 10:23 pm Post subject:

a gooseberry hedge could be productive and rather good for perimeter control

grannie used them for 2 legged foxes in the fruit trees

iirc you ferment ? if so gooseberry wine is splendid if you use good dessert types, the big, red when ripe ones, are very nice

separate "the public" and the moos is wise

i consider myself a slightly informed member of "the public" but prefer not to amble through somebody else's moos

grants+- etc they can be useful if that was what you intended anyway, schemes are often schemes for those who arrange them

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 15985

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 23 9:22 am Post subject:
If you put up fencing I would make it mesh of some sort to minimise dogs in field. If a dog runs into the cows, not only may the cows be upset but owner of 'dear doggie' may try to rescue it, which can end badly for all. Orchard is a good idea.

Old-Chads-Orchard

Joined: 07 Dec 2005
Posts: 394
Location: Malpas, Cheshire

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 23 10:14 am Post subject:
Will be sheep netting / barbed wire. Just acquired a load of cherry, damson & apple trees to plant out the dead space.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46235
Location: yes

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 23 12:36 pm Post subject:

nice choices of top fruit

re sheep netting the last lot i bought was only 150m but a significant cost (more than the trees), the price for very similar products varied a lot between suppliers, iirc the posts were fairly local to here and most online were similar prices, the net/wires came from the home counties and were half the price of some being advertised locally

that was to divide a mown area from a community orchard with"wild flowers" etc. no sheep, but it has survived the public and well-behaved dog owners are welcome on both sides of the fence, kids bouncing on the top line not so welcome but easy mended
i did put 50 rosa rugosa along the fence line as a start to the hedge:wink:
rose hips from those are the best for food, drink and medicine

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 15985

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 23 9:26 am Post subject:
Good choice of hedging Dpack. They have thorns, but not as vicious as some things, good flowers and berries and the smell lovely. Old Chad, sounds like a nice orchard.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46235
Location: yes

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 23 11:31 am Post subject:
i had forgotten how nice they smell and the long flowering season(bees etc) they easily layer, so any gaps only need a peg or rock on a runner to fill up in a year or two fast-growing if pruned a bit birds like the fruit once bletted and will deliver assorted seeds to the hedge line

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46235
Location: yes

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 23 11:34 am Post subject:
ps i think mine were about 50p each as 3 ft tall bare rooted maidens

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