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chez

Joined: 13 Aug 2006
Posts: 35935
Location: The Hive of the Uberbee, Quantock Hills, Somerset

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 11 10:47 am Post subject:
Can you set something up so they get up above the horses and rider's heads? I thought that they like to fly fifteen feet above the ground - so if some bee netting goes up, getting them up that high before they go over the yard, it should be okay?

wipka84

Joined: 07 Feb 2009
Posts: 221
Location: Essex, UK

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 11 11:44 am Post subject:

It would take a lot more than a blade of grass to get the police out and arrest any tresspassers.

The law sees tresspassing as a civil matter, not a criminal one unless it can be proved that criminal damage has taken place. Even then, you'd need witnesses, evidence that it was them and they hadnt already found the place like that. Only way to get someone off is through the courts which can take weeks and is costly.

With regard to your bees neing a 'nusiance' to next door I would've thought you're better off putting a clear sign up readable from next door warning that bees are in the area, then your duty to anyone that is harmed by the bees would at least be mitigated.

Or just redirect the bees using fencing.

Rob R

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 31902
Location: York

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 11 11:54 am Post subject:

wipka84 wrote:

With regard to your bees neing a 'nusiance' to next door I would've thought you're better off putting a clear sign up readable from next door warning that bees are in the area, then your duty to anyone that is harmed by the bees would at least be mitigated.

Not necessarily - if you do that with cattle and put up a 'beware of the bull' sign you are, in the eyes of the law, admitting that you aware he is dangerous and you are therefore culpable. I assume it is the same for bees.

T.G

Joined: 13 Sep 2009
Posts: 7280
Location: Somewhere you're not

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 11 2:36 pm Post subject:
/nod

Mutton

Joined: 09 May 2009
Posts: 1508

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 11 6:15 pm Post subject:

Are you a member of British Beekeeping Society?

They (certainly used to) do bee specific insurance and could probably talk you through this.

Oh and in terms of signs, an American I used to know who owned a thumping great vicious looking (soft as butter) dog, said Beware = I admit he is dangerous. Be aware doesn't.

Equally if you put up signs of any sort saying "bees here" you might have vandals in at night. I never had any trouble, but I do remember seeing adverts for beekeeping suits in camouflage colours so if you had beehives in places where they might get vandalised (old railway siding or whatever) it was less obvious when you went to tend them.

Tavascarow

Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Posts: 8407
Location: South Cornwall

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 11 6:51 pm Post subject:

Mutton wrote:

From what I've read no one in the UK has ever been prosecuted for their bees causing a nuisance or stinging someone.
It's down to the individual to prove who's bees have been causing the problem.
I suppose with DNA testing, that is now possible, but not cheap.
So BBKA insurance is a waste of money IMHO.

WandaBlue

Joined: 03 Feb 2011
Posts: 40
Location: Sanday, Orkney

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 11 2:35 pm Post subject:
Thought this link might be relevant here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-13942849

dan1

Joined: 23 Jun 2010
Posts: 102
Location: Bristolish

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 11 10:00 am Post subject:
That link was about horses which disturbed the hives/knocked them over which shouldn't be a problem if he keeps them out of my garden. There isn't any good, non-anecdotal evidence that bees are attracted to horses or their sweat and all the instances of harm I can find have arisen after livestock knocked over hives. Usually exacerbated by them being tethered/fenced in + unable to run away.

mark

Joined: 14 Jul 2005
Posts: 2191
Location: Leeds

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 11 10:26 pm Post subject:

I gather the normally way to mollify neighbours close to hive sites is to gift them honey.

If you haven't done this over the years maybe a little catch up would be called for.

If it is hard for him to let his stables he will take a financial loss if he loses the customers - times are hard now so if he is letting stables he didn't before maybe he needs the income.

You can both try to find a mutually acceptable solution - or you can slug it out!

If you have gifted some honey and put up mesh to redirect bees and he is still awkward then you can shoot him - but not before !

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 15968

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 11 9:09 am Post subject:

Some horse owners say bees will attack horses whether this is true or not.

BBKA insurance will give you third party insurance, so is useful in case of problems. In addition, a local beekeeping association affiliated to BBKA can give you other support, training and sometimes other advantages.

If you do all you can to minimise the nuisance, like make sure the bees will go well above any horse riders etc. you will have been seen to have done all you can. Try talking to the farmer explaining all this. If he won't talk, then you can't do anything about it I am afraid, exept take advice (CAB may be able to help), or move your hives.

A percieved risk is always a problem with bees even if there is no actual risk.

Sally Too

Joined: 14 Sep 2006
Posts: 2511
Location: N.Ireland

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 11 9:25 am Post subject:

On the topic of horses - we have both bees and horses here. For a while the bees were sited with just a wire fence between them and the horse field. We had no problems. The bees tended to go up fairly quickly anyway and on the odd day a bee bumped off a horse the horse just tossed its head and moved out of the flight path.

Of course the bot fly looks and sounds like a bee and they do chase and harass horses trying to lay eggs on their legs. Horses hate these and will often gallop round the field to try to evade them. The bot fly will give chase! We had one pony who didn't care and was covered in eggs, another who would go batty and we'd bring her in to protect her.

Our bees are now sited on a bank above the garden. Sometimes their flight path goes over the bounce zone of the trampoline! So the kids have to wait a bit. Another day they were coming round the hedge to where I was working in the garden. I didn't get stung but was bumped and investigated a bit. So I hung a sheet up to divert them another way until I'd finished my task.

It sounds as though this neighbour didn't approach you very tactfully. Hopefully it can all be sorted amicably. A pot of honey, some indication of how to reduce bee flow over the yard, and I'm sure it will turn out that you just caught the neighbour on a bad day.... we all have them I'm sure!

Hope it all works out for you both.

Marches

Joined: 13 Dec 2011
Posts: 171
Location: Nr Peak District, England

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 12 10:21 pm Post subject:
He's trying to rent out the stables to people with horses and doesn't want them or the horses to get stung. Just be reasonable and move the hive.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46216
Location: yes

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 12 10:55 pm Post subject:
would a jar of huney and a nice cup of tea sort it out ?

toggle

Joined: 30 Dec 2006
Posts: 11622
Location: truro

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 12 12:26 am Post subject:

Marches wrote:

He's trying to rent out the stables to people with horses and doesn't want them or the horses to get stung. Just be reasonable and move the hive.

giving way to someoen who is being angry, aggressive and unreasonable is usually a good way to end up with them making successively more unreasonable demands.

Marches

Joined: 13 Dec 2011
Posts: 171
Location: Nr Peak District, England

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 12 12:29 am Post subject:

toggle wrote:

Marches wrote:

He's trying to rent out the stables to people with horses and doesn't want them or the horses to get stung. Just be reasonable and move the hive.

giving way to someoen who is being angry, aggressive and unreasonable is usually a good way to end up with them making successively more unreasonable demands.

I know, but in this case the demand isn't unreasonable, if anything it is inconsiderate not to move the considering the reasons.

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