Home Page
   Articles
       links
About Us    
Traders        
Recipes            
Latest Articles
We're doomed Captain Mainwaring.....
Page Previous  1, 2
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Downsizer Forum Index -> Conservation and Environment
Author 
 Message
oldhibberd



Joined: 09 Mar 2005
Posts: 118

PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 06 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

[quote="JB

More seriously what sort of contribution could biofuels make to that energy requirement?[/quote]

JB, It's much more serious than that. The issue is that without huge inputs of petrochemicals there will be nothing like enough land on the face of the earth to feed the current six billion inhabitants, let alone the projected 9 Billion by 2050.

But I agree with Tahir, the earth will be better off without us.

puffedpride



Joined: 05 Nov 2005
Posts: 300
Location: bristol
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 06 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Aye, we're all doomed!

The more you look at these things the more overwhelming seem the odds against us as a species. Recycling all those scraps of aluminium foil for nothing.................

oldhibberd



Joined: 09 Mar 2005
Posts: 118

PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 06 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

The thing that struck me most, In one paper on the subject is this:-

If the basic problem is that without oil the planet can support no more than (say) 2 billion people, the longer the oil lasts the higher the population will get before it runs out. So all the recycling,renewable energy, conservation etc is delaying the inevitable, and meaning more people get wiped out when it happens.

aisling



Joined: 14 Jul 2005
Posts: 16

PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 06 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Hi

Don't post here often but spotted this thread. Peak Oil has been freaking me out for a year or so now - anyway, Powerswitch is a UK based peakoil site, worth a look. They're discussing this supplement today too:

https://www.powerswitch.org.uk/forum/about1554.html&highlight=[/url]

Cardinal Fang



Joined: 02 Nov 2005
Posts: 224
Location: Shropshire
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 06 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

aisling wrote:
Hi

Don't post here often but spotted this thread. Peak Oil has been freaking me out for a year or so now - anyway, Powerswitch is a UK based peakoil site, worth a look. They're discussing this supplement today too:

https://www.powerswitch.org.uk/forum/about1554.html&highlight=[/url]


Some informed views on there- makes me feel even more pessimistic....

Penny Outskirts



Joined: 18 Sep 2005
Posts: 23385
Location: Planet, not on the....
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 06 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

All we can probably do is live the best we can as individuals, and spread awareness wherever possible...very frightening stuff

Nanny



Joined: 17 Feb 2005
Posts: 4520
Location: carms in wales
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 06 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

in the end mother nature will right itself some how even if it means getting rid of most of the population of the earth at the time

you can't fool mother nature though we try so very hard

yes i think perhaps man is doomed in his present form

when? i dont' know, i think not in my lifetime but perhaps my great, great grandchildren's .......that doesn't stop me from doing my bit but i do sometimes why i bother.......i suppose it is in my make up to do so as it is in the make up of others not to.

the forces of nature will win in the end....you can see that by the various natural disasters that overcome parts of the planet every now and again......we mess it up and mother nature tells us to back off....we don't and one day it will take over...it'll be our fault not mother nature's

puffedpride



Joined: 05 Nov 2005
Posts: 300
Location: bristol
PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 06 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

But hang on Old Hibberd - are you saying green policies, downsizers,ecowarriors, and generally considerate types are making the situation WORSE by eeking out the oil?

Should we all go on a huge bender to prevent a fatal delay of the crisis?

tahir



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45672
Location: Essex
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 06 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Nanny wrote:
it'll be our fault not mother nature's


Definitely, and I can't see what getting depressed about it will achieve, try your best, learn, listen, educate, but don't go running around in a panic.

alternative-energy



Joined: 13 Dec 2005
Posts: 35
Location: Kent
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 06 9:59 am    Post subject: Lets get back to the Article Reply with quote
    

The excellent article written by Jeremy Leggett in the Independent plays down his current job... CEO at solarcentury. At present they are investing heavily in new solar technologies and integrated Solar PV and Solar Thermal tiles and are on a large recruitment drive.
He knows there's a problem because of his previous job in the oil industry but is doing something about it.
Alternatives are going to be the future... Lets not all get too depressed about all of this and change our habits by encorporating some form of renewable energy on our houses and start to make the difference.


Paul
www.alternative-energy.co.uk

oldhibberd



Joined: 09 Mar 2005
Posts: 118

PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 06 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

puffedpride wrote:
But hang on Old Hibberd - are you saying green policies, downsizers,ecowarriors, and generally considerate types are making the situation WORSE by eeking out the oil?

Should we all go on a huge bender to prevent a fatal delay of the crisis?


Um.. Well yes. That does appear to be one take on the situation.

I'm am trying to not get depressed about it, but I don't share Nanny's opinion on the timescale. It seems it could be a lot sooner than our grandchildren's problem. And I don't think we'll be able to 'technology' our way out if it either.

Treacodactyl
Downsizer Moderator


Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 25795
Location: Jumping on the bandwagon of opportunism
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 06 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

First of all my own view is that we shouldn't wait for oil & gas to run out before using other freely available sources of energy. It seems daft to just burn oil when it has so many uses, a bit like throwing bundles of cash on a fire to keep warm.

What I don't understand is that many ecconomists are not worried by peak oil and I heard that the majority of scientists beleive man is not responsible for the majority of global warming.

oldhibberd



Joined: 09 Mar 2005
Posts: 118

PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 06 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Global warming and running out of oil , separate issues.

Which one is going to wipe out the human race seems open to infinite debate, until it happens.

I think a lot of people are worried by peak oil. BUT it seems it�s a self fulfilling prophecy, even admitting there is a problem could be liable to set off the chain reaction which finishes us off.

Trevor



Joined: 23 Jan 2006
Posts: 5
Location: Isle of Skye
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 06 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Hi everyone, this is my first post although I have been reading for some time.
I think our worlds major problem is the size of population and it is this size that will probably trigger Mother Natures re-balance. You only have to look at intensive farming to see what happens when too many animals are housed in too little space. If the current bird flue was to mutate and pass from human to human it would surely spread around the world at an alarming rate due to the speed with which we can travel.
My view on the depleting oil situation is that we will probably see more wars for control of reserves, we will rely more on nuclear, which will carry its own threat to the world, we will have to farm by traditional organic methods possibly without as much mechanical assistance and trade betwean countries will be less. This possible lowering of food prodution will have an impact on world population and if global warming really messes up the weather we may well see African style famine in Europe and America. But whatever happens in the future I think it will result in a drastic reduction in the human population but I doubt very much that we will become extinct, maybe just get set back a few hundred or thousand years.
I think the best that we can do is to learn to provide as much for ourselves as possible.
Regards and stay happy
Trevor

tahir



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45672
Location: Essex
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 06 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Trevor wrote:
I think the best that we can do is to learn to provide as much for ourselves as possible.


No harm at all in that, welcome on board.

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Downsizer Forum Index -> Conservation and Environment All times are GMT
Page Previous  1, 2
Page 2 of 2
View Latest Posts View Latest Posts

 

Archive
Powered by php-BB © 2001, 2005 php-BB Group
Style by marsjupiter.com, released under GNU (GNU/GPL) license.
Copyright � 2004 marsjupiter.com