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Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 14 7:57 am Post subject:

There is what looks like an electricity pole on the right, so I would suspect there is a power line across there.

Still not the sort of thing I would have anyone do near my house. I am not so sure about trees always going where you point them. Very few trees are dead straight all the way up with a completely even canopy, and it only takes a slight wind to send them off course as well. Conifers like that are easier than broadleaves, but you wouldn't believe the mess some of them can get themselves into even if they are not very tall.

Hairyloon

Joined: 20 Nov 2008
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Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 14 10:04 am Post subject:

Mistress Rose wrote:

I am not so sure about trees always going where you point them.

I always inspect my hinge after a fell, especially if it did not go quite where I wanted it: most always the reason that it didn't is evidenced by the cut.

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Very few trees are dead straight all the way up with a completely even canopy, and it only takes a slight wind to send them off course as well.

A good hinge should steer it straight. Though as already observed: there is not much evidence of a hinge on the video.

Ty Gwyn

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 4613
Location: Lampeter

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 14 10:44 am Post subject:
The video quality was poor,first time i watched it ,it looked like the man was cutting from the direction of fall, It would naturally have a V cut in the direction of fall,and i would`nt be surprised if there was a rope from the tree to the tractor taking up tension.

onemanband

Joined: 26 Dec 2010
Posts: 1473
Location: NCA90

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 14 11:00 am Post subject:

Pause vid at 1:14 / 1:15 looks like pivoting on a v cut to me.

Ty Gwyn wrote:

i would`nt be surprised if there was a rope from the tree to the tractor taking up tension.

I had wondered that, but not something I have experience of and wondered if that tractor is heavy enough to do that.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Location: yes

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 14 11:16 am Post subject:

having had a few more views of the video

i cant see anything that looks like a hinge.
the way the trunk slipped off the butt makes me think there must have been a gate but it isnt visible as far as i can see.

or for that matter any hint of a tension rope .

watching the last stage it seems that the wedges were what tipped it over,perhaps it was leaning a bit in the right direction but as above centre of gravity issues even with a fairly strait tree can be a bit unpredictable.

Hairyloon

Joined: 20 Nov 2008
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Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 14 2:12 pm Post subject:
Whatever way you look at it, it worked.

Jam Lady

Joined: 28 Dec 2006
Posts: 2571
Location: New Jersey, USA

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 14 5:18 pm Post subject:

When Paul cuts trees he makes a felling notch, then makes a cut from the opposite side, higher up. He calls it a hinge.

Back in October 2010 a friend helped drop a tree too big for Paul to tackle. He used wedges, which really interested me as it was not a technique with which we were familiar.

This happened up in the wood lot, so no house to drop it on. None-the-less, it went just where it was wanted to fall.

Of course I made an entry for my web site, which you can see here: https://www.bellewood-gardens.com/2010/Making%20Firewood_2010-12.html

There are some pictures of firewood, the tree he took down, and cutting it up.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 14 5:42 pm Post subject:
the way your pal dropped that is tidy,and the top of the gate(notch) can easily be seen on the cut trunk( unlike the one under scrutiny) wedges are ace not just for fine direction control(and for tipping a big one) but also for releasing the bar if the tree sits back onto the cut

Jam Lady

Joined: 28 Dec 2006
Posts: 2571
Location: New Jersey, USA

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 14 9:31 pm Post subject:

Oh yeah, pinch the bar and then stand back as the powerful language is released! That's where Paul likes the plastic wedges. Safer for the chain.

There was another interesting tree dropping earlier that same year for which we hired a company. Would have been so easy to drop it on the Forest Deck. Mike was the only one who'd even consider it, and he took two weeks to think about it plus a visit with his foreman.

https://www.bellewood-gardens.com/2010/Tree%20Cutting_2010-04.html

Hairyloon

Joined: 20 Nov 2008
Posts: 15425
Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 14 8:22 am Post subject:
Fairly obvious really: if you cannot take it down, then best put it back up.

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 15966

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 14 8:27 am Post subject:

The sort that hang up are the worst. A good job, but notice they still got a split out at the base.

We use wedges with aluminium ends, plastic, or even wood to guide the tree in the right direction. Trouble is, when there are trees all around, it is difficult to avoid hangups. We have recently got a winch to help us get them in the right position, pull them out and generally extract where we can't get the forwarder in.

Jam Lady

Joined: 28 Dec 2006
Posts: 2571
Location: New Jersey, USA

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 14 1:01 pm Post subject:

There must be about a dozen widow makers hung up along the ridge crest. They uprooted, toppled, and hung up in Superstorm Sandy a few years ago. They can stay there until they rot and fall. Too dangerous for us, too expensive to hire it done. They're out of the way. Happy woodpeckers.

And we're still cutting, moving, splitting etc what toppled. There are a few down in the woods, right across the drainage creek. Difficult to cut and how to get them up and out of there - we'll work on the more maneuverable stuff first.

The storm damaged over 20 trees, mature red oaks - Quercus rubra. So sad.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Location: yes

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 14 3:50 pm Post subject:
winch is the tool for hung ones

Jam Lady

Joined: 28 Dec 2006
Posts: 2571
Location: New Jersey, USA

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 14 5:19 pm Post subject:
These are meter plus diameter at base, weighty red oak, healthy when toppled so lots of branches interlaced with branches of the trees they crashed into. Not level ground, they're on a slope. Tell you what - if you're ever in the area give me a call. We can go take a look at them and you can offer suggestions. Looking forward to hearing from you. Soon?

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46207
Location: yes

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 14 5:44 pm Post subject:
from here i recon insect /bird heaven and dont get too close fallen and tangled are super for wildlife

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