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dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 21 9:33 am Post subject: nofence electric fencing

grauniad story

it has good and bad points

works well, better than leccy wire, it is very low labour unlike mooving a fence every day or so or walking it to find the short circuits etc

£300 a moo is a bit expensive( i wonder if they have tried collars on the lead animals and the rest do herd?)

for conservation grazing it seems ideal if one can fund the initial outlay

i wonder if they have tried "calling them home" with it, tis plausible a rolling fence line could drove a herd

RichardW

Joined: 24 Aug 2006
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Location: Llyn Peninsular North Wales

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 21 7:24 pm Post subject:
I just dont like this at all. Without a physical barrier to delineate where the pain is coming from they are just as likely to move forwards as back left as right ect ect. Walk down a track, hear music, is the danger left right or straight on? Once a cow is used to a line not to cross they are very reluctant to do so in the future even after the fence is removed.

dpack

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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 21 10:44 pm Post subject:
they claim the moos get zapped less and comply more often, i do know what you mean about them understanding the signal but apparently they do

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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Location: Hereford

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 21 7:39 am Post subject:
Presumably they learn that the noise comes five paces before the shock so they end up avoiding the line they shouldn’t cross. I can see the benefits. I also like the fact that they’re suggesting, it’s better than fencing or WOLVES in Sussex. Fencing is a viable alternative. Wolves? Sussex? I can see the odd issue with them being used to prevent cattle movement.

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 21 8:01 am Post subject:
No, wolves in Sussex isn't a goer for sure. From the article it seems as if it works. I don't think the idea is for them to be put on one bit of grazing than another as in strip grazing, but more to keep them to areas that need grazing at a certain time then move them to another area some distance away.

Slim

Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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Location: New England (In the US of A)

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 21 11:45 am Post subject:
What if you put collars on the wolves?

dpack

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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 21 12:07 pm Post subject:
dpack" blah blah is that ok?" Vet "looks like a dog to me cos it acts like a dog, tis a dog " they are ok in the north, mr urbane on a train is a bit different to wild wood time but ron was pretty good at wild or pastoral as well. woofs joining in with the lewes bonfires might be a bit much for such gentle souls

Slim

Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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Location: New England (In the US of A)

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 21 12:11 pm Post subject:
We had an invisible electric fence collar for my dog growing up. It was occasionally an issue when she'd chase something and go through it, and then post-adrenaline was too afraid to come back through to our side. I could imagine that being a problem for either predator or prey that is outfitted.

Slim

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Location: New England (In the US of A)

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 21 12:14 pm Post subject:
But yes she learned that the beeping denoted the boundary, and she couldn't have been much smarter than a cow

Mistress Rose

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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 21 8:42 am Post subject:
I hadn't heard about them for dogs. I know there were collars that gave a small shock to dogs if they roamed too far from their owner, but not ones that beeped as a warning. I think wolves in a pack might just ignore the collars if they started hunting in a pack, and as you say Slim, not come back.

Slim

Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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Location: New England (In the US of A)

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 21 12:21 pm Post subject:

This was not as sophisticated as these gps ones, but pretty convenient if you have an American style yard. Simply bury a wire around the perimeter of the area you want the dog to have free access too, and the collar must have known how close it was because of the strength of the small radio signal coming from the wire, or something like that. You could adjust the distance from the wire that the collar would start beeping (I'm guessing it was just increasing the power being fed to the wire). If the dog got too close it would get a shock, but you could also switch it to only beep once the dog knew to obey the beep.
We felt bad about the shocking, but the traditional dog run meant the dog was almost strangling herself regularly when wrapped around trees.
There was a day when we put the range up too high, without realizing and the poor dog was hugging the side of the house to go pee because extra steps away from it would cause her collar to beep. (She got extra treats and love that day and many apologies)
We didn't even use the collar for the last half of her life, as the boundary was just engrained and she no longer had puppy walkabout habits.
Another interesting quirk of the technology was the need to have an imaginary gate where she could be trained to know it was safe to walk through with one of us (& her collar off) to take her out for daily walks (to areas where we could let her run free and boy did she run), vet appointments, etc.

Mistress Rose

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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 21 10:53 am Post subject:

Sounds useful for a large garden (or yard to you). Not many people in the UK have that much land, and certainly dogs tying themselves in knots is a well known problem even here. One method I have heard of is to have the dog on a chain or longish lead attached to a line running down the garden fairly high up, so the dog can run up and down and a little from side to side with the chain on its collar running along the line.

NorthernMonkeyGirl

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Location: Peeping over your shoulder

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 21 2:04 pm Post subject:

Hi all!

Dropping in to DS on a quiet afternoon and stumbled across this thread.

I've got some of these. In theory very good, lots of advantages over traditional electric fences (notably no barrier to returning to their "enclosure" after an escape - they don't get warned or shocked)

But the company have not disclosed all issues and I have enough minor troubles that I'm going to try and return them for a refund (ha!).

C'est la vie...

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 21 6:42 pm Post subject:
hi, nice to see you posting tech report is interesting, not up to the job is unfortunate, the concept seems sensible

NorthernMonkeyGirl

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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 21 7:22 pm Post subject:
Folk in England seem to have all positive reports, I still think it could be a game changer on uplands/ plains. However, I'm under trees in deepest Wales Much more sensible design in New Zealand places the solar panels on the neck strap so they actually face the sun...

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