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dpack
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tahir
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dpack
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Ty Gwyn
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Mistress Rose
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tahir
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 45672 Location: Essex
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 23 8:59 am Post subject: |
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Mistress Rose wrote: |
the question is whether we will get them. |
We won't. Deregulation and privatisation. BRE is now pretty much a commercial entity, Buildings Inspectors council or private are absolutely shockingly useless.
On our current site the main contractor subbed out the bricklaying, from the outset they've been rude, disrespectful, smoking on site (till they managed to cause an expolsion on the scaffolding), and would happily jump off scaff rather than use the ladders (cos it's quicker), shockingly bad technically too.
But they are all good British lads who engage in all the usual racist, homophobic and misogynistic banter. They will never work on one of our sites again, but they'll definitely be on a site somewhere....
Site work is incredibly hard, demanding work but is seen here as for those too thick to do anything else, or of course the foreigners.
Tradespeople with pride in their work are hard to find
I could go into much more detail on multiple facets of the regulatory framework and how it joins up with actual construction but in summary it's shockingly shit and I see no prospect of improvement.
https://www.ioshmagazine.com/willmott-dixon-arm-fined-ps125m-after-refurb-exposed-residents-co-poisoning-risk
https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/health-and-safety/willmott-dixon-housing-block-empty-for-four-years-due-to-safety-concerns-25-04-2023/
https://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/education/21533045.safety-fears-grow-rainham-estate-roof-detached-building/
Literally hundreds of articles like this for major developers/contractors, obviously small contractors are in general at least as shit |
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dpack
Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 46219 Location: yes
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 23 10:08 am Post subject: |
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there can be an upside to cowboy work, mending it put buns on my table a few times
as a main contractor or decent onsite subby they are a nightmare, ascontractor i recon i was lucky or better than i thought at picking folk who would do the job well and politely
round here anyone good seems to have retired, gone back to europe or is booked until doomsday on heritage and domestic stuff
if i was 30 years younger, my driver would have a nice vehicle and most of my job would be recruiting/training and retaining the right teams
on the last one, the most skilled did it as a last job before retiring(head spark and specialist pretty brickie, the arches not him and i spose me as i did do a few skilled bits and pieces of conservation and refurb)
it needed 3 different sets of spreads, 3 stages and types of spread which was difficult to organize
family plumber was handy, he is now silly busy on listed stuff.
the drain men were surprisingly good and easy to find, although they came from newcastle that counts as local firm nowadays
no dought materials are an issue(most of the last one was EU produced materials) but staffing is a huge problem in the uk building game, and far worse now than it was ages ago
training is needed but it needs folk who want to be trained, that means offering a living wage during training as well as education on and off site
another aspect is the "big firms" have blacklisted lots of good tradesfolk due to them demanding decent health and safety, working conditions, pay etc
the more maleable and less ethical are those who thrive in big firms and add their special thing to the general culture of both training and workplace practice
i recon both of us could add to this thread. |
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Mistress Rose
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