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dpack
Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 46220 Location: yes
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Mistress Rose
Joined: 21 Jul 2011 Posts: 15972
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 22 7:57 am Post subject: |
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Yes, too much woodland is left unmanaged. It can be for reasons such as those you give Dpack, but sometimes it is pure economics and changes in use of the timber. Our woodland has two areas of plantation; one of mixed native hardwood (if you count sycamore as native) planted between 1935 and 1955 which has been heavily thinned at least twice to our knowledge in the last 40 years. No idea what it was planted for. The other is almost entirely beech which we believe was planted for paper pulp. There is no virgin hardwood pulp mill in the UK now, so to be used for its original purpose it would have to be shipped to Scandinavia then the paper shipped back for use. We have repurposed it for firewood, but with increased legislation (supposedly because of particulates cf new coal mine) this is becoming more difficult, so a lot will go into charcoal production.
A felling licence is usually needed to fell more than a small amount of timber each year, as is right, but having just fought my way through the paperwork for a management plan plus assorted forms which will give us another 10 years felling licence, it isn't the easiest thing in the world. A separate felling licence can be obtained, but that is nearly as bad to apply for. |
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Mistress Rose
Joined: 21 Jul 2011 Posts: 15972
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 23 7:33 am Post subject: |
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Can't remember where I put the other stuff, but several areas of downland grass have been left unmown round here at the moment and they are really lovely. The one between us and the shops hasn't been mown for a bit, and was covered in flowers when I saw it yesterday. There were a lot of hawkbits, scabious, lady's and I think hedge bedstraw, restharrow, one little bit of wild marjoram, which I hadn't seen there before, wild thyme, great knapweed, birds foot trefoil and several others. In the other direction, the harebells have made a come back after being mown at the wrong time of year for several years, and I found some pyramid orchids there too. |
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dpack
Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 46220 Location: yes
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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 24 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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woof but i would say that
he seems to have a similar attitude to myself re uplands and sheep, general "rewilding" and environmental improvement
if you don't ask they can't say no, that works with loads of little and larger things
if you tell them, they may do as they are told if they are given no other option apart from your choice of carrot to go with the stick
wolves are ace* and would fit into some rewilded places a treat
if they can pretend to be dogs they are quite urbane bon viveurs in an urban setting, part wolf, even mostly wolf, can easily pass for a dog, i met one full who was no bother to walk off a lead through streatham with my half on the other heel, , so cool a well known local supermodel would stop for a chat with a crusty with mutts
* a tail from the darkside of wolf lore, first hand account made the starving wolves more scary than the nazi hunter teams when wounded and evading in a Norwegian winter.
apparently the wolves were far more determined and stayed with him24 hrs longer and into Sweden where he lost them in the first village |
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Mistress Rose
Joined: 21 Jul 2011 Posts: 15972
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dpack
Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 46220 Location: yes
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NorthernMonkeyGirl
Joined: 10 Apr 2011 Posts: 4630 Location: Peeping over your shoulder
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Mistress Rose
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dpack
Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 46220 Location: yes
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Posted: Tue Mar 12, 24 11:06 am Post subject: |
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having seen the dismal acres of dead whips in tubes and ignorant destruction of grassland diversity by "experts", i have mixed feelings about them
some are experts, most are doing a job they are not expert in
as to getting things done, doing them is far better than asking quango to consider them
shall i explain about having to insist a national park authority actually did what it said it should do in its foundation documents? i hope the national trust are letting that no longer at risk site remain "un-managed"
the useful experts were the archeologists, the bat people, the moss people and the lawyers and assorted concerned citizens
my little temperate rain forest? and many random glades, diversification of species, introduction of suitable species, captive raise for release with phibs etc ?
i dont mind giving panda beetle wardens or friends of the meadow a bit of help, they do need it, even basics like fencing pliers and choppy tools were beyond their practical experience, nice folk no idea how to cut reeds when chest deep in waders to open up the best bit for the damselflies away from terrestrial predators that get them on marginal plants as they dry out from hatch
knowing the place well counts a lot more than files and directives
trying to get such things "permitted" brings out the trooper in me, it needs doing, shall we give it a go?
there are two small orchards,(and one with an informal above head height pruning arrangement which is where i should have started and developed from) the effort could have done far more good than several years of official and less official negotiations
official has not got clones of two un-named(see official)old apples in its very diverse 7x2m yard, which is also home to a full food chain up to cat 4 avian, grin coming to dine is rather special and did not require any permissions to make it very untidy with crevices and mess and stuff, you have seen the wildlife pictures, imagine that scaled up and suitable for the locations available |
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Nicky cigreen
Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 9881 Location: Devon, uk
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Posted: Tue Mar 12, 24 11:37 am Post subject: |
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NorthernMonkeyGirl wrote: |
From what I have seen, the guy is a self-righteous tosser who doesn't care about anyone else's experience or opinions. I've seen that personality many times, and been the clean-up crew behind them more than once. |
that's how he comes over to me.
I keep saying it, but I worry about good pasture land, or other agricultural land being removed from being productive in order to re-wild, without much consideration from where our food will come from. If not here, then from elsewhere, where they might be taking down rainforests to grow crops to transport miles to feed us.
That is rewilding here and deforesting there.
He might be smug about his piles of concrete offering a good habitat for adders, but I presume he also eats like the rest of us, so presumably he gets to be smug whilst letting someone else do the actual farming.
I don't like people who don't feel they need to listen to anyone else, and just go ahead and rewild or introduce species *to land they don't own* without proper agreement.
*edit to clarify I meant about people releasing wildlife or plant species to land that they don't own or manage
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dpack
Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 46220 Location: yes
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Nicky cigreen
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dpack
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