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Bodger

Joined: 23 May 2006
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 06 11:30 am Post subject:

Bernie66 wrote:

bodger wrote:

I'm sure that I've read somewhere about people snaring songbirds and the like with horse hair.

Why would you want to snare songbirds anyway?

Bernie
I most defintely wouldn't, but in the bad old days there was a big trade in both singing birds and plumage for hats and the like .

Snares were also used for catching sparrows for food. Sparrow pie was very popular in the countryside.

Bernie66

Joined: 14 Jan 2005
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 06 11:31 am Post subject:
Cheers

Jonnyboy

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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 06 11:38 am Post subject:
What sort of damage do the bunnies do to themselves before they either break their necks or you get to them?

quixote

Joined: 26 Oct 2006
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 06 11:41 am Post subject:
Absolutely none.........err, well, apart from the aforementioned 'breaking of the neck' !!! There are generally signs that the bun's thrashed around a bit, but I've never actually seen one kill itself in the snare. Years ago, I used snares with no stops, and there's no doubt in my mind nowadays that there was a lot more suffering involved. I would'nt dream of using plain snares now

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 06 11:48 am Post subject:

tahir wrote:

A pheasant found a way into our netted off pea patch the other day, I had to get in there to get it out, could I have just killed and eaten it?

Legally you would need a game licence IIRC.

Jonnyboy

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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 06 11:51 am Post subject:

Quixote wrote:

Absolutely none.........err, well, apart from the aforementioned 'breaking of the neck' !!! There are generally signs that the bun's thrashed around a bit, but I've never actually seen one kill itself in the snare. Years ago, I used snares with no stops, and there's no doubt in my mind nowadays that there was a lot more suffering involved. I would'nt dream of using plain snares now

So a live bunny is normally pretty healthy before you pull it's neck and would be able to survive, if, it managed to free itself?

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Essex

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 06 11:51 am Post subject:

Treacodactyl wrote:

tahir wrote:

A pheasant found a way into our netted off pea patch the other day, I had to get in there to get it out, could I have just killed and eaten it?

Legally you would need a game licence IIRC.

That's what I wanted to know. Hmm, how'd you get one of those?

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 06 11:58 am Post subject:

tahir wrote:

Treacodactyl wrote:

tahir wrote:

A pheasant found a way into our netted off pea patch the other day, I had to get in there to get it out, could I have just killed and eaten it?

Legally you would need a game licence IIRC.

That's what I wanted to know. Hmm, how'd you get one of those?

Post office, about �10 I think. However, in years past many POs have run out of 'em.

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 06 11:59 am Post subject: Re: Snaring

Quixote wrote:

I'd be interested to hear other opinions though

It's something I would like to learn especially as it needs minimal equipment. One question, what sort of time does it take between setting a snare and rabbits venturing out and being caught? Rather than leave a snare animal for a few hours I'd like to dispatch them asap.

Bernie66

Joined: 14 Jan 2005
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 06 12:01 pm Post subject:

tahir wrote:

Treacodactyl wrote:

tahir wrote:

A pheasant found a way into our netted off pea patch the other day, I had to get in there to get it out, could I have just killed and eaten it?

Legally you would need a game licence IIRC.

That's what I wanted to know. Hmm, how'd you get one of those?

Try online, some do, just googled it.

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Essex

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 06 12:04 pm Post subject:

Treacodactyl wrote:

Post office, about �10 I think. However, in years past many POs have run out of 'em.

Will have to try our local

quixote

Joined: 26 Oct 2006
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 06 12:05 pm Post subject:

Jonnyboy wrote:

would be able to survive, if, it managed to free itself?

That's the idea. Generally though, if the snare's positioned & set correctly it's a foregone conclusion. The idea of the stop is to reduce the impact of snaring on non-target species (for instance,my fox-snares are fitted with a coil spring to reduce the potential for injury should a badger, etc, be inadverdantly caught)

Defra have introduced a set of guidelines if you want to have a read?

https://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-countryside/vertebrates/snares/pdf/snares-cop.pdf

Jonnyboy

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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 06 12:27 pm Post subject:
Thanks.

quixote

Joined: 26 Oct 2006
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 06 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: Snaring

Treacodactyl wrote:

Rather than leave a snare animal for a few hours I'd like to dispatch them asap.

Good philosophy, but it's a bit impractical. You'd need to be watching your snares pretty much constantly to ensure every animal was dispatched quickly. The reality is, that when the animal's caught it settles down after a few minutes (unless it kills itself first) I find a lot of them just hunker down in the grass once they realise they can't escape. If the snares are set out in the open it's a different matter as they'll try everything to get back into cover (this is most likely when you'll find them already dead in the snare)

The guidelines state that they MUST be checked at least once a day (or once every 24 hours!) I check mine twice a day minimum, but sometimes more often if I'm out n' about anyway.

I generally have about 10/15 snares if I'm after buns for myself, and up to 150 if there's a particularly large problem (150 are hard to handle by yourself though!! It takes a long time to get round them all & you BETTER have a quad unless you've got shoulders like Arnie!!!

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KILLITnGRILLIT

Joined: 14 Sep 2006
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 06 10:02 am Post subject:
There is another site i go on which has a lot of snaring/trapping advice and there is a new fox snare that is being trialled/used which will release anything bigger than a fox.It also works for the times if a snare is moved or slips and a fox gets caught around the middle and will release it.

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