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tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Essex

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 04 11:51 am Post subject: Compostable freezer bags
Just saw these: https://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/detail/990246.html

jema
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 04 1:29 pm Post subject:
Seems a neat site, may well get some of those Just glance down and seeing the biodegradable refuse sacks as well. I have to confess on this score I always buy heavy duty sacks, little I find more annoying than dustbin bags splitting constantly. jema

alison
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Location: North Devon

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 04 1:33 pm Post subject:
We have a big problem around here with the seagulls and rooks tearing the bags open and scavaging.

wellington womble

Joined: 08 Nov 2004
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Location: East Midlands

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 04 7:52 pm Post subject:
I wonder how long they take to break down? Our local council is trialing recyling kitchen waste and will supply bidegradable bags for it - presuambaly to go straight on their compost heaps - wondering if it would work for mine?

cab

Joined: 01 Nov 2004
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 04 10:37 pm Post subject:
Ewww. They also sell this: https://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/detail/969278.html Nasty.

jema
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 04 10:44 pm Post subject:

Argh,

Won't be buying from them then

This represents by deepest fear about this site. I want this site to recommend ethical stuff and businesses. But I have some pretty strong views on just waht is ethical. It may be notable from some of the early selection of admins on the site, that I also wanted people with some fundermentally different opinions to create balance. But just how much "balance" can you have without ceasing to have a core ethos at all?

jema

Sarah D

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 2584

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 04 11:07 pm Post subject:

As is quite often the case, bio-degradable bin liners, refuse sacks, etc can be bought from your local health food shops, or direct from Suma by the hundreds or whatever if you use them.
Biodegradable from local business is about as good as it gets if you have no other bags to use. Failing that, Tesco stocks them. I sometimes use old compost bags for rubbish if I need to; when I don't take them down to swap for other compost bags full of manure...............

Our District Council do not give out free refuse sacks, but best of all, they will empty straight from the dustbin, which is quite unusual these days I think.

cab

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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 04 9:04 am Post subject:

jema wrote:

Argh,

Won't be buying from them then

I'm fairly sure that all of us here share a fairly similar ethical code, it's just that we don't share a view as to how we can best live to that code.

These guys selling bags, oddly packaged health foods and chitosan pills (processed and chemically treated crustacean shell that chelates fats that you eat, giving you oily stools but causing you to absorb less fat) probably share the same ethos as us. They are doing what they think is the right thing, but for them (as for so many) the 'health food' factor is synonymous with the 'environmental' factor. I'm firmly of the opinion that they're wrong, but their heart is probably in the right place.

Incidentally, when tucking into a Mars bad a couple of years ago a thought struck me; we need something that gives all the sensualsatisfaction of a sweet, sticky chocolate bar with none of the fat. But the fat is integral to the product, that's why it's good. So we need a product that's just the same but with fat that doesn't count. Obviously that can be achieved with biscuits (everyone knows that the broken ones don't count), but then it struck me that it's easy to produce a chitosan colloid that would be flavourless and integrate it in the chocolate bar; the result being a bar of chocolate that would cause you to secrete more (or as much) fat than you get in the bar of chocolate.

Rushing back into the lab, I fired off a few patent searches, to discover that some Japanese guys had beaten me to it.

Bang goes anotherfortune

jema
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 04 9:08 am Post subject:
See my new thread! jema

Gervase

Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 04 9:59 am Post subject:
I read recetly that the Co-Op was using biodegradable plastic for all its carrier bags now, so you might be able to use those for freezing (though most plastic carriers seem to have bloomin' holes in 'em).

wellington womble

Joined: 08 Nov 2004
Posts: 15051
Location: East Midlands

Posted: Tue Nov 23, 04 12:17 pm Post subject:
do they have to be exposed to sunlight? - in which case they wouldn't be much good in landfill! Must be better than plastic though!

Bugs

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 04 2:19 pm Post subject:
WW (or may I call you Welly?! ) : looks like they don't need to be exposed to sunlight - I looked up the Co-op's press release about their bags and found my way to the manufacturers. Assuming they are using the same technology for the Co-op, this page gives a demonstration of their bag in compost. The demonstration means nuffink to me, but the fact they say in compost is a good sign, I think.

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