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Barefoot Andrew
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 07 6:55 pm Post subject: Netbeans

I'm impressed. I've not used this software before and I'm now wondering why on earth not.

As well as seeming to be a good IDE, I'm impressed with its code completion and code/args tips facilities. And Subversion support is available via a simple module download - excellent.

I'm currently using v5.5.1 but a production release of v6.0 is scheduled for next month. That promises, amongst many things, SVN support by default, undockable windows for project, files, etc (ace on a dual-monitor machine) and better support for scripting languages. Its code completion for HTML is already very good, so if v6 supports PHP then Editpad Pro's days as a standalone editor could be numbered...

A.

Oh, and Netbeans is completely free of course.

tahir

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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 07 6:56 pm Post subject:
What is it Andrew, just an editor?

Barefoot Andrew
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 07 7:00 pm Post subject:
No, it's a complete software development environment - editor (with frills), plus build tools & debugger. Primarily intended for Java applications development, but can (I think) be used for other langs. A.

jamanda
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 07 10:36 pm Post subject:
I don't understand any of the above, except the completely free bit. Is there any free software available that you know of does the same job as Microsoft Publisher and is usable by ignoramuses?

Fee

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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 07 11:11 pm Post subject:
What sort of thing are you using Publisher for? There are a few that do other bits of what it does out there (free )

Fee

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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 07 11:13 pm Post subject:
Scribus might be worth a play with.

jamanda
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 07 11:14 pm Post subject:

Fee wrote:

What sort of thing are you using Publisher for? There are a few that do other bits of what it does out there (free

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Nothing very exciting. PTFA posters and news letters and the like.

Fee

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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 07 11:16 pm Post subject:
That should do the trick then

jamanda
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 07 11:17 pm Post subject:

Fee wrote:

Scribus might be worth a play with.

Doesn't mention Vista in its list of platforms. I'll try it on my work laptop when I get it back from the techs (it crashed big time

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joanne

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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 07 9:20 am Post subject:

Back to the Netbeans discussion - Haven't used Netbeans for years so don't know what its like these days - Can't see them releasing PHP support for it though as its a Sun product isn't it ?

We are unfortunately tied into using Oracles's JDeveloper at work - which is a complete and utter pain in the backside - very clunky and temperamental

My personal ide/editor of choice is Eclipse - I've a feeling that it came from the frustration of the limitations of NetBeans and over the years has evolved into a multi-platform development environment and I know it has PHP support because I've used it - It also has C/C++, Cobol and of course its native Java - I'm not certain but I think it may even have C# and .Net support

It works on the basis of plugins as well and has a huge community using it with several Commercial platforms of it available as well - I think even Borland use Eclipse as the basis for their offerings these days

It is however also free https://www.eclipse.org/

joanne

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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 07 9:24 am Post subject:
Oh and it also has SVN, CVS and Clearcase support amongst others as well as lots of other nice toys such as Round Robin development and re-factoring

jema
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 07 9:38 am Post subject:
Must give Eclipse another bash, I did try it, but it seemed very slow and buggy, total overkill for a lot of stuff where any old editor that shows line numbers does the trick.

Fee

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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 07 9:41 am Post subject:

jema wrote:

Must give Eclipse another bash, I did try it, but it seemed very slow and buggy, total overkill for a lot of stuff where any old editor that shows line numbers does the trick.

I was just thinking the very same thing

joanne

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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 07 10:15 am Post subject:

For small projects I would say Eclipse is definitely overkill but for the big system integration projects I work on - its definitely a great IDE especially compared to stuff like JDeveloper which is absolutely pants but because we are working with Oracle stuff we have to use it - Company decision

although with any of these big applications you need a good amount of memory to run it properly because it can run so much within the container

For smaller stuff I've also used Aptana IDE - which seems nice and lightweight but is good for PHP coding and HTML work

jema
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 07 10:36 am Post subject:

Just installed Eclipse again and it is opening files for edit in gedit, which is odd as I thought it had its own editor

As such thus far I cannot see what it gives me?

I currently use crossvc for CVS management and gedit from there. The only major peeve I have is that I would like to add my own commands to the crossvc menus, this seems like an obvious thing people would want to do and I can't see why it should not be there.

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