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vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 21301
Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 08 3:03 pm Post subject:

Erikht wrote:

vegplot wrote:

I shot a 7.62 NATO tonight. That's about the same as a .308. Noisy beast.

That should be the same as a 30.06.

Wikipedia says that they are interchangeable but it does go onto say the ballistically it is similar to the 30-06. I stand corrected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62x51mm_NATO

RichardW

Joined: 24 Aug 2006
Posts: 8443
Location: Llyn Peninsular North Wales

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 08 6:53 pm Post subject:
I can see the 3 rifle thing its just when you see caliburs like .22 & .222 does that .002 make that much difference? Justme

Brownbear

Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 14929
Location: South West

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 08 9:53 pm Post subject:

Justme wrote:

I can see the 3 rifle thing its just when you see caliburs like .22 & .222 does that .002 make that much difference?

Justme

A .22 is a rimfire bunny gun, a .222 is a centrefire suitable for fox and small deer. a .22 has an effective range of about 80 yards at 1050 feet per second; a .222 has an effective range of, for the average marksman, 200-300 yards at a velocity of something like 2400 feet per second.

The numbers don't just mean the bore of the barrel, they also refer to the cartridge from which it is fired. The .22LR, .22 Short, .22WMR, .220, .222, .223 and 22-250 all fire a .22 bullet but at varying speeds and with varying trajectories.

sean
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Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 42219
Location: North Devon

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 08 9:59 pm Post subject:
It's all got very complicated since the days of short, long and hornet.

KILLITnGRILLIT

Joined: 14 Sep 2006
Posts: 894
Location: Looking at a screen in the front room

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 08 10:08 pm Post subject:

sean wrote:

It's all got very complicated since the days of short, long and hornet.

Very complicated - https://www.reloadbench.com/cart.html run of the mill calibres.

https://www.reloadbench.com/cartw.html and the "wildcats" !!!

Erikht

Joined: 08 Feb 2005
Posts: 3358

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 08 10:16 pm Post subject:

vegplot wrote:

Erikht wrote:

vegplot wrote:

I shot a 7.62 NATO tonight. That's about the same as a .308. Noisy beast.

That should be the same as a 30.06.

Wikipedia says that they are interchangeable but it does go onto say the ballistically it is similar to the 30-06. I stand corrected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62x51mm_NATO

Well, not necessarily. You will find that both the 7.62X63 and the 7.62X51 are used by NATO (though they are both being dumped by most countries for something smaller). The 7.62X63 is the 30.06, and that was the one I had in mind. The 7.62X51 is a different calibre, and thus nobody stand corrected.

The 30-06 should deliver a harder punch, if not by much. It is a very versatile calibre, with bullet weight ranging from 55 grains to 220 grains. The ballistics will differ with the different bullet weights and loads.

vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 21301
Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 08 12:34 am Post subject:
That's a heck of a bullet weight range. Very impressive. I need to learn more about this. We shoot in a tunnel. Large calibre's in high velocity tend to sound like artillery shells. I found staying on target with the 7.62 very difficult due to the recoil, but the grin.

KILLITnGRILLIT

Joined: 14 Sep 2006
Posts: 894
Location: Looking at a screen in the front room

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 08 9:52 am Post subject:

Erikht wrote:

It is a very versatile calibre, with bullet weight ranging from 55 grains to 220 grains. The ballistics will differ with the different bullet weights and loads.

The problem with bullet weights that vary so much is the rifling may not stabilise all weights(definately won`t be IMHO).

Another thing to keep in mind is that some of the larger weights may not fit the magazine or may jam when chambering.

My .222 loves 50 grainers, but throws 55`s all over the place.

Erikht

Joined: 08 Feb 2005
Posts: 3358

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 08 11:42 am Post subject:

You have to find out what suits your rifle, and I would rather shoot 55 grain bullets with a .343 than a 30.06. But if you load your own cartridges, and use the loading tables well, the 30.06 (or for that matter a .308) is a far more versatile rifle than most people give it credit for. This is also true for the 6.5. That is a big enough calibre to shoot anything you can fin in Europe, though modern hunters might want something larger for dangerous game like bears, boar and different kinds of bison's and musk ox.

vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 21301
Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 08 11:06 am Post subject:
I've sent off for my variation. In the end I went for a 7x57 primarily because I have paid a deposit on a Ruger no.1 an awful lot less than the RRP (it isn't a grey import and it's not secondhand either). T hanks for all your advice, much appreciated.

vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 21301
Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 08 5:24 pm Post subject:

It's been nearly a month now since variation was submitted. I rang the firearms dept. and they advised I contact the firearms officer. He said there's a 4-5 month backlog on renewals and variations were being out to the bottom of the pile. There's only two FO's in the whole of north West wales who have to deal with around 16,000 licence holders. They need to visit each holder every time there's a variation or renewal.

I said I need to get the variation preocess quickly as I had a need and lo and the next day he's sitting at the kitchen table conducting the interview. 5 days later he phones me to say it's been processed and awaiting final signature.

KILLITnGRILLIT

Joined: 14 Sep 2006
Posts: 894
Location: Looking at a screen in the front room

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 08 10:18 pm Post subject:
OK then, what optics are you putting on it then, if any ?? ........welcome to the money pit !!! .

Erikht

Joined: 08 Feb 2005
Posts: 3358

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 08 2:54 pm Post subject:
Off....... That's the expensive part.

Brownbear

Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 14929
Location: South West

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 08 3:06 pm Post subject:
[] Discounts on all scopes, rings and bases, not to mention binoculars, available to Downsizers from Brownbear's optics shop. [/]

vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 21301
Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 08 3:58 pm Post subject:

KILLITnGRILLIT wrote:

OK then, what optics are you putting on it then, if any ??

........welcome to the money pit !!!
.

I was going to fit my Leupold VXIII from my .22 (which is a bit of on overkill) but the Ruger only has 1" rings. In the end I got a Japanese 'plain jane' scope (excellent optics) for �99. It's a little short as the mounts don't offer great flexibility. It's okay for now though. Brownbear might be able to advise when I see him on Sunday.

I'm pleased so far, took the beast down the range on Sunday and zeroed in at 100 metres (still needs a bit of a fine tune), I'll visit the dentist later to put my teeth back in. earthyvirgo took a few shots and she thinks it has a slight power edge over the .22.

It's noisy in the tunnel.

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