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cab

Joined: 01 Nov 2004
Posts: 32429

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 05 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: you guys all suck

real_eco wrote:

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I'll tell you what, real_eco. I invite you to register here that we may fully discuss your views; I agree with some of what you said, I disagree with some other things you've said. And I'm happy to tell you why, if you're happy to defend your stance.

Deal?

cab

Joined: 01 Nov 2004
Posts: 32429

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 05 8:13 pm Post subject:

Viking_Chick wrote:

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It works for me.

You've got a way with words, you know.

Blue Sky

Joined: 30 Jan 2005
Posts: 7658
Location: France

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 05 9:32 pm Post subject:

Viking_Chick wrote:

I'm a newbie here but would like to add a bit to what has already been said.

Changing lifestyles does not happen overnight. If you believe in something, great, and if you can live up to the ideals that come with that belief, even better. But we are all just human at the end of the day, none of us perfect. Not even you real_eco with your presumably partly plastic computer.

Everyone here is doing what they do for their own reasons - some may claim to be environmentalists, some are doing it for other ethical reasons - such as an abhorrance of factory farming or a desire to reduce costs or a feeling that they want to get back to an older style of living. Whatever their reasons, it is *their* reasons and the rest of the site is to support the baby steps that each individual here is making towards their own, individual, goals.

And going back to my opening statement, life changes don't and for the vast majority of people, cannot happen overnight. None of us knows everything, but we are all making our way slowly, changing what we do bit by bit to make the changes we can in our own way.

It's not good enough for you, but its good enough for us. Personally I think people should be encouraged to do what they can as they can. Trying to make people feel bad about not doing enough soon enough is far more likely to make them give up on the goals that they have rather than encourage them to do more.

I prefer the downsizer.net approach. Friendly support in a way that does make you think about doing things that you never have before.

It works for me.

Three cheers for Viking_chick then! It couldn't have been put any better IMO.

We are all here to help each other in our struggle towards a better life, no matter how long it may take. Those that come along and criticise this are not only not welcome but are hindering us in our process by wasting our valuable reading time.

However "GUEST" if you do return I am quite happy to discuss your comments further. PM me

Viking_Chick

Joined: 21 May 2005
Posts: 123

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 05 7:16 am Post subject:
Oh shucks guys I just hope s/he comes back to answer the points raised by everyone here.

tigerminxy

Joined: 13 Jul 2005
Posts: 11

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 05 11:53 am Post subject:

I'm always amazed when people think that by calling people 'morons' and asserting an unpalatable superiority complex they think people are going to listen to them.

Perhaps if people like real_eco didn't adopt such a confrontational pose, and explained their points of view properly (as opposed to lecturing), others might start to listen to them. As it is, all I can think of now is getting a lovely bacon sarnie for lunch. Somehow I don't think that was the intention.

judith

Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Posts: 22789
Location: Montgomeryshire

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 05 11:55 am Post subject:

tigerminxy wrote:

all I can think of now is getting a lovely bacon sarnie for lunch. Somehow I don't think that was the intention.

maggiem

Joined: 18 Jul 2005
Posts: 4
Location: France

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 05 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: you guys all suck

." meat is incredibly wasteful-- animals consume, on average, ten pounds of feed for every one pound of meat they provide

We killed 2 lambs today. They came here at 3 months old from friends who had reared them with their mothers milk and grass. They ate good spring grass whilst they were here plus some older grass and in the last couple of dry weeks some of last years hay. We don't eat grass

If they hadn't have eaten it, it would have dried up and gone to seed.
Wasteful??????????????

jema
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Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 28234
Location: escaped from Swindon

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 05 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: you guys all suck

maggiem wrote:

If they hadn't have eaten it, it would have dried up and gone to seed.
Wasteful??????????????

It is silly isn't it when people take a perfectly valid point, e.g. that meat tends to be wasteful, and turn it into an unthinking mantra, ignoring what different types of land are suitable for, and for that matter the basic fact that there is no inherant food shortage in the world anyway.

Treacodactyl
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Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Jumping on the bandwagon of opportunism

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 05 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: you guys all suck

jema wrote:

for that matter the basic fact that there is no inherant food shortage in the world anyway.

Who has stated there's no shortage? Some of the intensive meat farming can be extremerly damaging to the environment, South Amerecan beef farming for example. It is something I would like to see a balanced discussion of.

jema
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Location: escaped from Swindon

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 05 8:15 pm Post subject: Re: you guys all suck

Treacodactyl wrote:

jema wrote:

for that matter the basic fact that there is no inherant food shortage in the world anyway.

It would be a good discussion to have, but I am pretty convinced that food producton could easily cope with the population levels.

Joey

Joined: 03 Nov 2004
Posts: 191

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 05 8:56 am Post subject:

If eco- whatisname was a real environmentalist he wouldn't be horrified by faeces and urine and realise that it's all part of the
nitrogen and carbon cycles.
He would also realise that because of climate and land types it is not viable to grow crops other than grass and forage so meat production is the best way to produce food in these areas.
He would also realise that more than half the other feed materials used to supplement ruminant diets or to feed pigs and poultry are byproducts of the human food production eg: flour, oils, alcohol, sugar and so perform a recyling role. In fact if you consider that a lot of the cereals (the other half of their diets)that are used to feed animals are grown in areas where it is not possible to produce high quality bread making wheats or malting barley, then again this crop growing for meat production is the best use of this land for food production. You should also be aware that there is more rapeseed meal becoming available in Europe for animal feed because of the increasing demand for oil for biodiesel. There is also more maize byproducts appearing in the USA because of ethanol production. Both replace fossil fuels.
Then again we could plant woodland on all of Britain. We could all starve, but then we could all have oak desks, and oak coffins.
Yes we need to be more environmentally conscious and rainforest shold not be destroyed for beef cattle. However, if you are going to
eat food and enjoy it there has to be a middle ground if there is to be food for everyone.
Oh, and next time you are sitting in Glastonbury Festival, eating lentil stew, check the lentils haven't been shipped halfway across the world! You could be enjoying a piece of prime Somerset beef and saving food miles in the process.

nettie

Joined: 02 Dec 2004
Posts: 5888
Location: Suffolk

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 05 12:03 pm Post subject:

mochyn

Joined: 21 Dec 2004
Posts: 24585
Location: mid-Wales

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 05 12:03 pm Post subject:
I see this eco-chap hasn't reappeared. I don't know, I go off for a couple of days and look what happens.

mochyn

Joined: 21 Dec 2004
Posts: 24585
Location: mid-Wales

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 05 12:06 pm Post subject:
And, thinking on, wasn't there a challenge thrown down to get people to play Devil's advocate?

Joey

Joined: 03 Nov 2004
Posts: 191

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 05 1:15 pm Post subject:
Mochyn! Diawl bach!!!

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