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gardening-girl

Joined: 25 Feb 2009
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Location: Somerset.

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 17 4:20 pm Post subject: Cider Vinegar.
We have just used a bottle of cider vinegar, but have kept the mother that was in the bottom of the bottle. Question, If we put the mother in a jar with some local cider, will this eventually turn into vinegar? Does it need oxygen to make it work. We use `lots `of cider vinegar.

sean
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Location: North Devon

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 17 4:26 pm Post subject:
Yes and yes. Use a container with a bit of muslin over the top to keep out undesirables.

gz

Joined: 23 Jan 2009
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Location: Ayrshire, Scotland

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 17 8:14 pm Post subject:
How long does it take until usable as cider vinegar?

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Essex

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 17 8:20 pm Post subject:
Can't do it with apple juice can you?

sean
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 17 8:25 pm Post subject:

gz wrote:

How long does it take until usable as cider vinegar?

*Some* weeks, it's a bit variable, sometimes it goes like a rocket and sometimes it takes ages.

sean
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 17 8:29 pm Post subject:

tahir wrote:

Can't do it with apple juice can you?

Dunno really. Vinegar's the end point for fermentation really. If you leave apple juice standing around it'll ferment and then eventually turn in to vinegar.

tahir

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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 17 8:30 pm Post subject:
Hmm. May have to give it a try

Slim

Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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Location: New England (In the US of A)

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 17 10:41 pm Post subject:
Apple juice will go to vinegar fairly quickly. If left with an open top (with the cheese cloth) the oxygen will keep the fun fermentation stage to a minimum

gardening-girl

Joined: 25 Feb 2009
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Location: Somerset.

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 17 9:59 am Post subject:
Would a demi john allow enough air to get in? thinking quantity .

Shan

Joined: 13 Jan 2009
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Location: South Wales

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 17 10:17 am Post subject:
No, it needs more air. Better off with a food grade bucket and muslin over the top. Also, if the liquid starts to smell like acetone, you need to incorporate more air. Remove the mothers (they reproduce faster than you think) and whisk the liquid to incorporate air. Do this daily util the acetone smell turns vinegary. Also, don't keep too many mothers in a batch.

Slim

Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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Location: New England (In the US of A)

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 17 10:20 am Post subject:

gardening-girl wrote:

Would a demi john allow enough air to get in? thinking quantity .

These guys say yes, though I imagine cleaning is more difficult: https://www.pickyourown.org/AppleCiderVinegarRecipe.php

Shan

Joined: 13 Jan 2009
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Location: South Wales

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 17 10:27 am Post subject:
Try getting excess mothers out of the Demijohn!

gz

Joined: 23 Jan 2009
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Location: Ayrshire, Scotland

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 17 9:02 pm Post subject:
What happens to the alcohol in vinegar making?

sean
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Location: North Devon

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 17 9:20 pm Post subject:
It turns into acetic acid and water. C2H5OH (l) + O2 (g) → CH3COOH (aq) + H2O (l)

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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Location: Hereford

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 17 10:22 pm Post subject:

gz wrote:

What happens to the alcohol in vinegar making?

They put labels on it.

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