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puffedpride

Joined: 05 Nov 2005
Posts: 300
Location: bristol

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 05 12:46 pm Post subject: warmcel loft insulation

Recently topped up my inadequate loft insualtion with Warmcel 100. Its a simple DIY job though a bit messy. Consists of fairly harmless fluffy grey loose fibres from fire-resistant recycled paper. Only a fraction of the energy required for 'mainstream' loft insulation is needed to make Warmcel, and it is meant to be non-hazardous. I wore mask and gloves as it dries out the hands and produces a fine dust when crumbled out of the packet. Thermal properties are said to be good, and the brochure says it is 'unattractive' to rodents.

Has anyone else got feedback - good or bad - about this eco-friendly product?

Lozzie

Joined: 25 May 2005
Posts: 2595

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 05 12:51 pm Post subject:

I love the idea of this stuff, but it looks truly disgusting - like the mess I used to make with old newspaper in the guise of papier-mache.

My loft is already full of glassfibre insulation, plus boarding, plus 20 tonnes of crud, so I am unlikely to use the stuff any time in the near future.

In Stuart times they often used masses and masses of seashells as insulation between floors. Does anyone know if they are still used anywhere?

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Mary-Jane

Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Posts: 18397
Location: The Fishing Strumpet is from Ceredigion in West Wales

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 05 12:53 pm Post subject:

We're wanting to have a go with the recycled paper in between our upstairs floor joists and downstairs ceilings for sound proofing, as well as insulation. Would you mind giving me an idea of how much it costs? We may use it in the attic as well when we've finished putting in our ceilings upstairs - but we were also considering sheeps wool insulation. The problem is that it is sooooo expensive.

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Mary-Jane

Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Posts: 18397
Location: The Fishing Strumpet is from Ceredigion in West Wales

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 05 12:57 pm Post subject:

Lozzie wrote:

In Stuart times they often used masses and masses of seashells as insulation between floors. Does anyone know if they are still used anywhere?

We still have tons of loose barley as insulation between a lot of our upstairs floor joists. It was put in there during early Victorian times and we can't see the point in taking out as it's doing the job. If it 'ain't broke and all that...

ele

Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Posts: 814
Location: Derby

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 05 12:58 pm Post subject:
I'm pondering this as well, when we get our roof insulation upgraded, conventional stuff is probably not environmentally ideal, but as we use our loft for storing guitar cases and things like that, I don't want an avalanche of paper bits everytime I open the loft hatch

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45669
Location: Essex

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 05 12:58 pm Post subject:

Mary-Jane wrote:

We still have tons loose barley as insulation between a lot of our upstairs floor joists.

What about rodents?

ele

Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Posts: 814
Location: Derby

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 05 1:01 pm Post subject:

tahir wrote:

Mary-Jane wrote:

We still have tons loose barley as insulation between a lot of our upstairs floor joists.

What about rodents?

I was thinking what about fire

or am I being a worrywort ? (I've got a bit of a fire phobia)

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Bernie66

Joined: 14 Jan 2005
Posts: 13967
Location: Eastoft

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 05 1:01 pm Post subject:

Mary-Jane wrote:

Is the recycled paper treated to be flame retardant?

Mary-Jane

Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Posts: 18397
Location: The Fishing Strumpet is from Ceredigion in West Wales

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 05 1:03 pm Post subject:

tahir wrote:

What about rodents?

We also have four cats, one of whom (Wanda) is a first class (with honours) rat/mouse/vole/mole/pigeon/rabbit catcher. Within a few weeks of her arrival, no rodents were ever seen or heard in the house alive again. Her record to date is 6 dead in one day...and deposited on the mat in the kitchen in various states of dismemberment...

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45669
Location: Essex

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 05 1:04 pm Post subject:

Mary-Jane wrote:

6 dead in one day...and deposited on the mat in the kitchen in various states of dismemberment...

Nice...

Northern_Lad

Joined: 13 Dec 2004
Posts: 14210
Location: Somewhere

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 05 1:06 pm Post subject:

ele wrote:

tahir wrote:

Mary-Jane wrote:

We still have tons loose barley as insulation between a lot of our upstairs floor joists.

What about rodents?

I was thinking what about fire

or am I being a worrywort ? (I've got a bit of a fire phobia)

One of the houses on Grand Designs used this stuff. Kevin was invited to put a match to it and he could not get it take.

Blue Peter

Joined: 21 Mar 2005
Posts: 2400
Location: Milton Keynes

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 05 3:00 pm Post subject:

Northern_Lad wrote:

One of the houses on Grand Designs used this stuff. Kevin was invited to put a match to it and he could not get it take.

Are you talking about warmcel or loose barley?

Peter.

Blue Peter

Joined: 21 Mar 2005
Posts: 2400
Location: Milton Keynes

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 05 3:01 pm Post subject:

Lozzie wrote:

In Stuart times they often used masses and masses of seashells as insulation between floors. Does anyone know if they are still used anywhere?

Here are some links (which I haven't looked at), supplied by a UK straw-baler called Chug:

If you are interested in using shells for insulation then there is some
info on mussel shells on the website for the Friland community in
Denmark where workshops for the ISBBC 04 were held, Lars Keller has
them and Steen Moller has them on his roof too
(https://www.dr.dk/friland/undersider/byggerihjemmesider/lars/byggeri_lar
s_logbog_2003_eng.htm)

(https://www.dr.dk/friland/English/english_byggerihjemmesider/dorthea-og-
steen/byggeri_dorthea_steen_familie.htm)

Peter.

Northern_Lad

Joined: 13 Dec 2004
Posts: 14210
Location: Somewhere

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 05 3:07 pm Post subject:

Blue Peter wrote:

Northern_Lad wrote:

One of the houses on Grand Designs used this stuff. Kevin was invited to put a match to it and he could not get it take.

Are you talking about warmcel or loose barley?

Peter.

Sorry; WarmCell

Blue Peter

Joined: 21 Mar 2005
Posts: 2400
Location: Milton Keynes

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 05 3:11 pm Post subject:

Northern_Lad wrote:

Blue Peter wrote:

Northern_Lad wrote:

One of the houses on Grand Designs used this stuff. Kevin was invited to put a match to it and he could not get it take.

Are you talking about warmcel or loose barley?

Peter.

Sorry; WarmCell

I should think so too, implying that Kevin the polymath couldn't even light loose barley! Even I could do that, unless I was using it as kindling for a fire

Peter

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