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Gervase

Joined: 17 Nov 2004
Posts: 8655

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 07 10:47 am Post subject:

Northern_Lad wrote:

They do unless the get the tippex out on the keyboard. Changing the location will only change the translation of which key does what, not what the look like when you're hitting them.

Indeed. fortunately the keys on this keyboard are so covered with plaster, mastic, tea, small-boy-matter and gubbins that you can't see what half of them are meant to be. Ideal for touch-typists.

dougal

Joined: 15 Jan 2005
Posts: 7184
Location: South Kent

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 07 11:08 am Post subject:

Northern_Lad wrote:

They do unless the get the tippex out on the keyboard. Changing the location will only change the translation of which key does what, not what the look like when you're hitting them.

Ummm. Have a re-read of the thread.

Gervase and Jamanda are using Windows keyboards with Macs.
On those keyboards Shift-2 is marked as " but delivers @ when you tell the Mac the fiction that it has a British-Mac keyboard attached.

My suggestion was that they tell the Mac the truth that a British-Windows keyboard was attached.
That will enable Shift-2 to deliver " exactly as marked on the key. And all the other keys to work exactly as marked.

The only problem arises when people choose a particular keyboard, perhaps because of its 'feel', but actually *want* to use a layout different to what is marked on the bit of hardware that they have chosen for other reasons.
In which case, rather than resorting to Tippex, I'd refer them to these people https://www.hooleon.com/

And even on a PC, don't do your on-screen corrections with Tippex...

jamanda
Downsizer Moderator

Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Posts: 35057
Location: Devon

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 07 4:49 pm Post subject:

dougal wrote:

sean wrote:

Nah, it's an old PC keyboard being used with a Mac.

OK, well it is a pity that British Windows uses a non (ISO) standard layout, while British Mac does use an ISO standard layout...

But I don't think its the end of the world.
https://www.gyford.com/phil/writing/2005/11/20/using_a_british.php
Like the man says, just don't use any of the odd punctuation characters in your login password. (Nice idea to just put the special layout in the individual *user's* library...)
You probably already know about the system preference for the order of the Command and Option keys from the Windows and Alt keys.

Had a look at that link, but the screen I get for clicking "keyboard & mouse" in system preferences looks nothing like the one shown. I suppose it doesn't matter too much. I tend to have more of a problem not automatically reversing them when I'm on my school computer.

CodyT07

Joined: 30 Dec 2006
Posts: 95
Location: South Eastern, USA

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 07 4:53 am Post subject:
I'm the only one in my country...

dougal

Joined: 15 Jan 2005
Posts: 7184
Location: South Kent

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 07 10:24 am Post subject:

Jamanda wrote:

Had a look at that link, but the screen I get for clicking "keyboard & mouse" in system preferences looks nothing like the one shown.

1/ Thats the wrong bit of that linked page. You need to be working with "International" preferences - 'cos you've got a 'furrin' keyboard.
2/ The screenshot is after clicking the "Modifier keys" button in the Keyboard panel in 10.4 - you weren't bothered about rearranging control/alt/windows...
3/ Rather than hijack the atlas thread, PM me if you are still bothered, or else (over the kitchen table) ask a mod to shift this discussion to its own thread - probably under IT.

Last edited by dougal on Sat Feb 03, 07 10:28 am; edited 1 time in total

dougal

Joined: 15 Jan 2005
Posts: 7184
Location: South Kent

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 07 10:26 am Post subject:

CodyT07 wrote:

I'm the only one in my country...

Shouldn't let that bother you.
I expect most of us feel that way from time to time!

CodyT07

Joined: 30 Dec 2006
Posts: 95
Location: South Eastern, USA

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 07 4:08 am Post subject:

dougal wrote:

CodyT07 wrote:

I'm the only one in my country...

Shouldn't let that bother you.
I expect most of us feel that way from time to time!

Actually I'm the only one on the other side of the world.

Gervase

Joined: 17 Nov 2004
Posts: 8655

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 07 7:54 am Post subject:

dougal wrote:

My suggestion was that they tell the Mac the truth that a British-Windows keyboard was attached.
That will enable Shift-2 to deliver " exactly as marked on the key. And all the other keys to work exactly as marked.

It may remap my Mac, but it won't remap my brain - and as I have touch-typed for 20 years on a Mac keyboard, I'm far too old to have my fingers relearn the positions. Hence the fact that it doesn't really matter what's written on the keys - the same old garbage still fills the screen!

dougal

Joined: 15 Jan 2005
Posts: 7184
Location: South Kent

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 07 10:24 am Post subject:

Gervase wrote:

... as I have touch-typed for 20 years on a Mac keyboard, ...

Yes, as I said...

dougal wrote:

The only problem arises when people choose a particular keyboard, perhaps because of its 'feel', but actually *want* to use a layout different to what is marked on the bit of hardware that they have chosen for other reasons.
In which case, rather than resorting to Tippex, I'd refer them {but only if it was a bother for them} to these people https://www.hooleon.com/

If your keyboard really is covered in (lime) plaster, etc, one possible (cheap but excellent) replacement you might consider is one of the old Apple ADB "extended keyboards" plus a USB/ADB converter. Those were much less stylish than the current offerings, but much better for typists. Total eBay cost maybe �15. (Keyboard here is yours for the postage - I have a few.)

I do wish some mod would shift the keyboard hijack to another thread.

Gervase, why are you mapped as being somewhere near Sheffield rather than in Wales where "there be dragons"? Or in the absence of an asbestos shield, is that a safe distance?

Is it possible for anyone to 'mod' the map and tidy/remove the multiple un-named entries?

kaz

Joined: 09 Sep 2006
Posts: 189

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 07 5:00 pm Post subject:
Did the map ever get up and going? We are thinking of having one for our forum but it sounds scary

jamanda
Downsizer Moderator

Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Posts: 35057
Location: Devon

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 07 5:02 pm Post subject:

kaz wrote:

Did the map ever get up and going?
We are thinking of having one for our forum but it sounds scary

Yes. There's a link to it in Simon's first post on the first page of this thread.

Barefoot Andrew
Downsizer Moderator

Joined: 21 Mar 2007
Posts: 22780
Location: In the 17th century

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 07 5:45 pm Post subject:
Excellent idea. I'll add myself soon.. need sort out a digital pic of myself first that isn't too horrific A.

dougal

Joined: 15 Jan 2005
Posts: 7184
Location: South Kent

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 07 5:50 pm Post subject:

Jamanda wrote:

kaz wrote:

Did the map ever get up and going?
We are thinking of having one for our forum but it sounds scary

Yes. There's a link to it in Simon's first post on the first page of this thread.

But last time I looked, it needed an awful lot of editing...

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