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gil
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 07 11:41 am Post subject:

tahir wrote:

Yeah spoke to a friend who shoots yesterday and he said a .22 rinfire would be better as it wouldn't need such accuracy, a body shot would kill. So dunno what I should be doing really.

It depends what you want to do with the rabbits afterwards. Vermin control, food source, or both.

Personally, I've gone for learning to shoot accurately, so I can kill with a head shot, as I don't want to be eating a carcass that's full of lead as well as bones (might break my teeth). Hence I use a .177.

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Essex

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 07 11:42 am Post subject:
Food source too.

tahir

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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 07 11:45 am Post subject:

Treacodactyl wrote:

I'm not sure if you would get the time, perhaps a days course might be more suitable.

Might be. Better find a club

lottie

Joined: 11 Aug 2005
Posts: 5059
Location: ceredigion

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 07 11:46 am Post subject:

Andy B wrote:

hedgewitch wrote:

Birmingham. All of it,. Really - it's dreadful.

Your not wrong ! And whats worse is its getting worse crime and antisocial behavior is so common its like they given up trying to control it.

My youngest's at Uni there and loves the place!!---mind you there are spots he avoids since someone was shot outside a nightclub he was at

hedgewitch

Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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Location: Daft wench GHQ

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 07 11:54 am Post subject:

lottie wrote:

Andy B wrote:

hedgewitch wrote:

Birmingham. All of it,. Really - it's dreadful.

Your not wrong ! And whats worse is its getting worse crime and antisocial behavior is so common its like they given up trying to control it.

My youngest's at Uni there and loves the place!!---mind you there are spots he avoids since someone was shot outside a nightclub he was at

I just couldn't take to it. But I don't like Sheffield either, and a lot of people really love it.

Brownbear

Joined: 28 May 2007
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Location: South West

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 07 11:57 am Post subject:
I've shot plenty of rabbits through the head, and plenty through the heart as well. Doesn't seem to affect their use as meat. The bullet expands and then exits. Never found a bit of lead, though I did once bite on an airgun pellet that had lodged in a rabbit at some previous point.

lottie

Joined: 11 Aug 2005
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Location: ceredigion

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 07 11:59 am Post subject:
I agree about Brum actually--feels like a vision of hell as you drive towards the place---my M.I.L lives in Sheffield which grim tho' it is is 100% better than Birmingham

gil
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 07 12:05 pm Post subject:
I've been using an air rifle, and find the pellets lodge rather than exiting. hence the head shots.

bernie-woman

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 7824
Location: shropshire

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 07 2:31 pm Post subject:

Northern_Lad wrote:

bernie-woman wrote:

Jamanda wrote:

Scunthorpe

Walsall

What's Walsall ever done to you?

It is just horrible - ugly place which even on the happiest days can drain you of all cheer and happiness. In fcat the only good thing about it is that in the Art gallery lifts the voice that tells which floor you are on and that the door is closing is Noddy Holders

whitelegg1

Joined: 05 Apr 2005
Posts: 409
Location: Woodford Green

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 07 3:47 pm Post subject:

Something tells me that Tahir won't have a problem with Land and Authority

FAC 'should' be fairly straightforward.

However, not wanting to be a stick in the mud, but.....

I was under the impression that one cannot use someone elses firearm. Even when supervised. On regular land.

The rules may be different at a range or club (and they most probably are).

But you can borrow a shotgun, you can borrow the estate owners firearm, but you cannot shoot someone elses firearm (who is NOT the estate owner).

6.16 Section 16(1) of the 1988 Act enables a
person to borrow a rifle from the occupier
of private premises and to use it on those
premises in the presence of either the
occupier or their servant without holding a
firearm certificate in respect of that rifle. It
should be noted that this gives slightly more
flexibility in the use of a borrowed rifle than
is permissible with the use of a shot gun
as described in paragraph 6.14, in that the
borrowed rifle can also be used in the
presence of the servant of the occupier.
However, the occupier and/or their servant
must hold a firearm certificate in respect of
the firearm being used, and the borrower,
who must be accompanied by the certificate
holder (whether it is the occupier or their
servant), must comply with the conditions
of the certificate. These may include a
safekeeping requirement and, in some cases,
territorial restrictions. Section 57(4) of the
1968 Act defines �premises� as including any
land. The effect of the provision is to allow
a person visiting a private estate to borrow
and use a rifle without a certificate. The
exemption does not extend to persons under
the age of 17 or to other types of firearm.
There is no notification required on the
loan of a firearm under these circumstances.
A borrowed rifle should not be specifically
identified as such on a �keeper�s� or
�landowner�s� firearm certificate. The term
�in the presence of� is not defined in law
but is generally interpreted as being within
sight and earshot.

Frustratingly it would appear that the estate owner needs to be the owner of the firearm if it is to be lent!

What you do do is up to you of course.
Forwarned is forarmed (or not!)

Pete

hedgewitch

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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 07 3:50 pm Post subject:

tahir wrote:

Treacodactyl wrote:

I'm not sure if you would get the time, perhaps a days course might be more suitable.

Might be. Better find a club

Is that in case you miss with the gun? Club 'em to death?

hedgewitch

Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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Location: Daft wench GHQ

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 07 3:51 pm Post subject:

lottie wrote:

I agree about Brum actually--feels like a vision of hell as you drive towards the place---my M.I.L lives in Sheffield which grim tho' it is is 100% better than Birmingham

Yes - would agree. And I got to quite like bits of Eccelsall Road in Sheffield - the 'hippy' bit near the school..

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45669
Location: Essex

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 07 3:52 pm Post subject:

hedgewitch wrote:

Is that in case you miss with the gun? Club 'em to death?

Yeah, they don't scare me

hedgewitch

Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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Location: Daft wench GHQ

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 07 3:58 pm Post subject:

tahir wrote:

hedgewitch wrote:

Is that in case you miss with the gun? Club 'em to death?

Yeah, they don't scare me

whitelegg1

Joined: 05 Apr 2005
Posts: 409
Location: Woodford Green

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 07 4:17 pm Post subject:
There is a place in Essex. https://www.airgunfarm.co.uk/ Near Chelmsford. just of the A12 This would be a good place to go with an 'instructor' or just to spend some time getting the feel of an air rifle. Pete

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