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Barefoot Andrew
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 08 6:50 pm Post subject:

Hmm, Netbeans has a particularly annoying "feature".

If you press F11 to build the "main project", it will build your app along with any dependent libraries. You can then press F6 to run the app.

If you press F6 instead, it will only build the app - and not any libraries, but will still go ahead and run the app anyway. Your app then misbehaves because a library change hasn't been rebuilt, and the debugger gives confusing/incorrect info*. The times I've done this now...

A.

(* similar to trying to single-step through a heavily optimised bit of C - you know, debugger jumping around annoyingly all over the place).

happytechie

Joined: 24 Jan 2006
Posts: 408
Location: Surrey (at the mo.)

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 08 6:59 pm Post subject:

alot of modern exe code actually run in a virtual machine. Java does obviously, .NET is effectively a virtual machine running on the x86 architecture via windows. VB6 also runs inside the VB6 runtime environment that is effectively a virtual machine.

Unless you're writing C / C++ that compiles to native object code you're running in some sort of abstracted virtual machine.

wrt development environments, the best ones in order and in my opinion are:

netbeans < eclipse < Visual C++ 6 < Visual studio 2003 < VS 2005 < VS 2008

the swing development bits in netbeans are starting to get there though, I've just put it on this laptop (6.1 on ubuntu), I'll have a go at it soon perhaps, it's been a while.

In other news, I looked at some source code from about 2003 and actually fixed a bug in it today!

Barefoot Andrew
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 08 7:05 pm Post subject:
IMHO the swing development tools in Netbeans are great for prototyping, but not so good for real development. Sprawlware! A.

vegplot

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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 08 11:07 pm Post subject:

Barefoot Andrew wrote:

Sprawlware!

Is that an adult website?

Barefoot Andrew
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 12 2:23 pm Post subject:

Hmm. I'm a long-term user of this software (it's one of my main tools), but my loyalty is being sorely tested at the moment.

I've been having problems for a while now with 6.9.1 getting its knickers in a twist and going into a perpetual s-l-o-w mode - this is a powerful machine for heaven's sake.

This weekend I upgraded to 7.1.2. The upgrade itself has been a painful experience with a raft of hiccups. And now the C/C++ editing environment is refusing to see any of the #defines or include paths I've configured into the project. And I've not tried the Java editing environment yet.

There has been a great deal of cursing.
A.

vegplot

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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 12 7:42 pm Post subject:
Nightmare, and not at all amusing.

jema
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 12 8:41 pm Post subject:
So bloody sickening, what with the fear that it won't sort itself out, and you might have to spend hours/days before being able to do any productive work

Barefoot Andrew
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 12 7:54 am Post subject:

jema wrote:

it won't sort itself out

An entirely justified fear.

Did I come to work at silly o'clock this morning and have a peaceful and productive couple of hours work before getting the kids up? No. I came to the newly upgraded NetBeans stuck in a high CPU load and totally unresponsive. Had to kill it off, and then waste time working out WTF was going on.

I'm about to update to the latest release candidate. Normally I wouldn't go near such cutting edge versions of tools I rely on, but frankly the current production version doesn't work.

A.

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
Posts: 34535
Location: Hereford

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 12 8:50 am Post subject:
Can you roll back to the last working version and let others sort the issue out?

Barefoot Andrew
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 12 9:11 am Post subject:
Not really. Previous two production versions have had issues I've sought to fix via upgrade. Going back before that is going further back than I'm comfortable with. A.

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