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gil
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 05 2:33 pm Post subject:
yes, good point. depends on which river, or what the local Council thinks is important enough. here, you get flood warnings for the main rivers and towns / main roads, but not the river tributaries, never mind the upper reaches of these, which are somehow assumed not to flood, but just to cause it further downstream. And too sparsely populated here to make it worthwhile their bothering.

thos

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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 05 2:50 pm Post subject:

The best defence is to live on a slope.

From being brought up in Bolton I have always ensured that there is always a run-off everywhere I lived - even in London. You don't need to be much higher than the surroundings to ensure it is very unlikely you will flood.

The only exception was when I rented a house on a floodplain for 18 months. Whenever it rained heavily we had a lake on the other side of the road. The house was basically built on a concrete raft with a double wall round it that had to be pumped out every few days. It was worry enough to ensure I never did it again.

Jonnyboy

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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 05 2:53 pm Post subject:
We live next to a stream that rises considerably in heavy rain due to run off. We built up the founds to give us about 10ft height, and the field across from us is lower. I'm also going to place rocks ourside to prevent erosion in heavy flow.

jamsam

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Location: erm....i dont know, its dark.

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 05 3:04 pm Post subject:
i live right between 3 rivers and amountain, so you can guess what fun ive had this week, runoff from the mountain, all the rivers burst the banks, half the hedges keeping the floods out had to be pulled own to get the animals out and i had to abandon my car. my tips: move to the sahara!!! or a block of flats!

tahir

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Location: Essex

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 05 3:05 pm Post subject:
Blimey jamsam, did you lose any livestock?

Jonnyboy

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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 05 3:08 pm Post subject:

jamsam wrote:

i live right between 3 rivers and amountain, so you can guess what fun ive had this week, runoff from the mountain, all the rivers burst the banks, half the hedges keeping the floods out had to be pulled own to get the animals out and i had to abandon my car. my tips:
move to the sahara!!! or a block of flats!

flippin eck

gil
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 05 3:16 pm Post subject:

jamsam wrote:

i live right between 3 rivers and amountain, so you can guess what fun ive had this week,

thought it might be something like that, from your previous post on the getting organised thread. and a houseful of family too.
I sympathise - I've got a small river, two tributaries and hills all around. this week wasn't as bad as a couple of weeks ago, for me, though the river is eroding the field on the other side at a tremendous rate, and will have to be repaired with rock, rather than the usual gravel.

jamsam wrote:

runoff from the mountain, all the rivers burst the banks, half the hedges keeping the floods out had to be pulled own to get the animals out and i had to abandon my car.

that sounds serious. are your livestock alright ? does the car still go ? did the house flood too ? hope not much if any damage.

gil
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 05 3:25 pm Post subject:

tip for downsizers with rivers on their land:

apparently, as from March 2006, if you want to repair riverbed erosion caused by flooding with gravel or rock, you will have to seek planning permission. each time you do a repair. and pay the relevant fee. �70?. at least, this is what my neighbour told me. (he's the one doing the rock repairs in my previous post)

also, up here (elsewhere too ?) you already can't do river repairs from October to March in case it disturbs fish spawning grounds.

there is an argument for letting rivers wander where they will. that's what they always used to do. have posted elsewhere on this forum about my two neighbours' propensity to reshape the river valley... and I think it has upset the balance of water flow down the hills and along the valley. minor flooding less often, but far worse when it does happen.

jema
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 05 6:31 pm Post subject:
Our only plan is for plenty of boiling oil to fend off the refugees trying to climb our hill :whdat: :whdat:

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 05 6:49 pm Post subject:
From what I can recall from something on TV a few days back they were encouraging people to take gradual steps whenever you are doing something to your house. Flood proof doors (don't forget those air bricks) water proof plaster on the groud floor walls, and moving sockets to a few foot up the walls (I would have thought the ring main should drop down from the ceiling to each socket).

hils

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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 05 7:09 pm Post subject:
This has been really interesting and helpful to read! I've spent the last few days finalising(ish as I'm not good at permanant decisions!) plans for the (water) mill cottage. Obviously I will have a serious threat of flooding so the socket idea is great - pretty obvious too!. Does anyone know if councils in England give out sand bags?

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 05 8:20 pm Post subject:
It would also be worth looking here: https://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/subjects/flood/ It has a map that shows flood areas. Prepare your house from flooding: https://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/subjects/flood/826674/830330/ Here's a pdf of what to do: https://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/commondata/acrobat/167219

gil
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 05 8:33 pm Post subject:

hils wrote:

Obviously I will have a serious threat of flooding so the socket idea is great - pretty obvious too!. Does anyone know if councils in England give out sand bags?

Has the mill cottage has ever been flooded in the past ? I asked a friend of mine who lives in a mill whether she'd ever been flooded, and much to my surprise, the answer was no, because the mill had been positioned above possible flood levels, when it was built way back. Mind you, thought my house would be safe because there had been a dwelling on the site for centuries (including a mill), but they didn't have to contend with global warming and Capability Brown neighbours

if the council don't, they ought to. if your area is prone to flooding, they should give you sandbags; if not, they'll probably be so surprised they'll give you some anyway.

And you don't have to wait until it's an emergency to ask.

jamsam

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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 05 12:32 pm Post subject:
thanks for the sympathy everyone! we were on the national news this week as an old peoples home had to be evacuated as the water rose, they all went out on the rescue boats that came up from swansea earlier in year to rescue some canoeists. so far i have onle lost the bast part of 3 years vegetable growing and a really good log pile. my car is written off though, time for a defender!

marigold

Joined: 02 Sep 2005
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Location: West Sussex

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 05 2:13 pm Post subject:
There's an interesting article about using tree planting to prevent/minimize flooding in the Calder Valley in the winter Permaculture mag. It's a very inspiring story. See also www.treesponsibility.com - follow the CO2mmitment/resilient lanscape link.

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