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12Bore



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 12 10:23 am    Post subject: The penny droppeth Reply with quote
    

At last, someone has realised that electricity doesn't just appear at the socket by magic.
I wonder how much it cost to make this wondrous discovery?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19830232

Rob R



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 12 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

In other news, a bear was today caught deficating beneath some trees.

12Bore



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 12 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Rob R wrote:
In other news, a bear was today caught deficating beneath some trees.

PMSL! But true...

Nick



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 12 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Rob R wrote:
In other news, a bear was today caught deficating beneath some trees.


Was it in Essex? Because, if so, it was probably a squirrel.

Hairyloon



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 12 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

I have been wondering about doing a PhD. Perhaps I could do one in the Bleedin' Obvious... Not sure I want to go to Norway for it though.

Penny Outskirts



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 12 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    


john of wessex



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 12 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Might be academic anyway

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19842401


Shane



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 12 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Of course, this means that Jeremy Clarkson was right all along...

<stands back>

T.G



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 12 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Hairyloon wrote:
I have been wondering about doing a PhD. Perhaps I could do one in the Bleedin' Obvious... Not sure I want to go to Norway for it though.


Ooo when I read that you sounded, in my head, just like the chap on four rooms. The one with bad teeth and wears a scarf - not that I am implying either attribute to your good self

Tavascarow



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 12 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Shane wrote:
Of course, this means that Jeremy Clarkson was right all along...

<stands back>


He's wrong about cyclists.
'Tis the only sustainable form of transport out there at the moment.

Shane



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 12 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

The only truly sustainable bicycle would, presumably, be made from local wood?

Not trying to sound like JC here - it's just that the energy required to extract iron from ore, and to transport rubber from wherever it is that rubber is made nowadays would render the bicycle rather hard to make in its current form should we suddenly find ourselves in an energy-constrained world (although bicycles are clearly considerably better than cars in terms of lifetime environmental impact).

I'd go one further and say that the only sustainable form of transport is our own legs, closely followed by a horse, and only then if we reduce the number of humans by about 90%.

Tavascarow



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 12 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Shane wrote:
The only truly sustainable bicycle would, presumably, be made from local wood?

Not trying to sound like JC here - it's just that the energy required to extract iron from ore, and to transport rubber from wherever it is that rubber is made nowadays would render the bicycle rather hard to make in its current form should we suddenly find ourselves in an energy-constrained world (although bicycles are clearly considerably better than cars in terms of lifetime environmental impact).

I'd go one further and say that the only sustainable form of transport is our own legs, closely followed by a horse, and only then if we reduce the number of humans by about 90%.

A working horse needs feeding even when it's not being used & probably consumes more energy in its lifetime than any used in the manufacture & maintenance of a bicycle.
Although I admit most of that can be home grown energy if you have the land.
Also horses need shoeing every six weeks.
Eight to nine sets of shoes per year compared to a pair of bike tyres every couple of years?
Truth is we need to be conserving what fossil fuel reserves we have, & as the vast majority of car journeys are sub three miles cycling should be most peoples first mode of transport IMHO.
It would save the NHS a lot of money too with increased fitness levels.

On an aside the average time to cross London now by car is the same as it was at the turn of the twentieth century by horse & cart.

paul1963



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 12 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Shane wrote:
The only truly sustainable bicycle would, presumably, be made from local wood?

Not trying to sound like JC here - it's just that the energy required to extract iron from ore, and to transport rubber from wherever it is that rubber is made nowadays would render the bicycle rather hard to make in its current form should we suddenly find ourselves in an energy-constrained world (although bicycles are clearly considerably better than cars in terms of lifetime environmental impact).

I'd go one further and say that the only sustainable form of transport is our own legs, closely followed by a horse, and only then if we reduce the number of humans by about 90%.


At the cycle museum in Cornwall they have a wooden bicycle made in occupied France during the occupation in WW11

Tavascarow



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 12 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

paul1963 wrote:
Shane wrote:
The only truly sustainable bicycle would, presumably, be made from local wood?

Not trying to sound like JC here - it's just that the energy required to extract iron from ore, and to transport rubber from wherever it is that rubber is made nowadays would render the bicycle rather hard to make in its current form should we suddenly find ourselves in an energy-constrained world (although bicycles are clearly considerably better than cars in terms of lifetime environmental impact).

I'd go one further and say that the only sustainable form of transport is our own legs, closely followed by a horse, and only then if we reduce the number of humans by about 90%.


At the cycle museum in Cornwall they have a wooden bicycle made in occupied France during the occupation in WW11

They are still made, although not cheap & probably no more energy efficient than steel.

Link.

Rob R



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 12 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Tavascarow wrote:
Shane wrote:
The only truly sustainable bicycle would, presumably, be made from local wood?

Not trying to sound like JC here - it's just that the energy required to extract iron from ore, and to transport rubber from wherever it is that rubber is made nowadays would render the bicycle rather hard to make in its current form should we suddenly find ourselves in an energy-constrained world (although bicycles are clearly considerably better than cars in terms of lifetime environmental impact).

I'd go one further and say that the only sustainable form of transport is our own legs, closely followed by a horse, and only then if we reduce the number of humans by about 90%.

A working horse needs feeding even when it's not being used & probably consumes more energy in its lifetime than any used in the manufacture & maintenance of a bicycle.
Although I admit most of that can be home grown energy if you have the land.
Also horses need shoeing every six weeks.
Eight to nine sets of shoes per year compared to a pair of bike tyres every couple of years?
Truth is we need to be conserving what fossil fuel reserves we have, & as the vast majority of car journeys are sub three miles cycling should be most peoples first mode of transport IMHO.
It would save the NHS a lot of money too with increased fitness levels.

On an aside the average time to cross London now by car is the same as it was at the turn of the twentieth century by horse & cart.


We hear what you're saying, and I agree, getting an ox is a much better prospect.

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