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Lorrainelovesplants

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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 14 11:39 am Post subject:
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dpack

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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 14 12:47 pm Post subject:

bulworthy project wrote:

I forgot to mention that we're growing jerusalem artichokes. We've read that these are good for pigs.

What do you think of these as pig food?

What else would you grow?

they like em

fodder root crops ,mangels etc

Ty Gwyn

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 4613
Location: Lampeter

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 14 12:56 pm Post subject:
All the above surplus waste is fine for older pigs, But its 6wk old weaners being taken off milk and fed a load of bulk, Do the people you are purchasing these weaners from,know you know nothing about keeping pigs and realise you are going to feed these young piglets a load of rubbish? Do yourself and the pigs a favour and have a read of an old book.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Location: yes

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 14 12:59 pm Post subject:
i was thinking about grown pigs ,weaners do need a weaner diet

bulworthy project

Joined: 27 Jun 2011
Posts: 188
Location: Rackenford, Devon

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 14 1:06 pm Post subject:

Ty Gwyn wrote:

Do yourself and the pigs a favour and have a read of an old book.

Do you have a suggestion of a book? Preferably one written before it was assumed that you need to feed them soya.

Ty Gwyn

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 4613
Location: Lampeter

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 14 1:21 pm Post subject:
No,because breeders kept piglets on Sow`s longer in them times. If you really want to keep that Non Soya stance, Buy older pigs,its a no brainer.

Mr O

Joined: 13 Feb 2005
Posts: 5512
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 14 3:52 pm Post subject:
I used to keep GOS and weaned at 8wks, by which time the were on a 14% Protein ration. I had no troubles with them at all as long as I kept the protein up. Guess what ? Protein rarely comes for free.

Shan

Joined: 13 Jan 2009
Posts: 9075
Location: South Wales

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 14 4:08 pm Post subject:
We used to let Jabba and Piglet naturally wean their little ones. Generally takes almost 4 months. Edited to add: hey were not purely on milk. Their rations were gradually increased during this time.

pollyanna

Joined: 03 Nov 2012
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 14 4:32 pm Post subject:
Go into a feed-merchants and take a good look at the labels on the weaner food. If you can concoct a feed with the same feed value, especially the protein level, without feeding soya, then that is the path to go down. It is a bit worrying that you seem to think that if hens (originally jungle birds) can forage for themselves, then so can pigs. This is not correct. Growing pigs need protein.

Shan

Joined: 13 Jan 2009
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Location: South Wales

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 14 4:34 pm Post subject:
In the right environment, there is absolutely no reason why pigs can not forage for themselves.

jamanda
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Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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Location: Devon

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 14 5:04 pm Post subject:

Shan wrote:

In the right environment, there is absolutely no reason why pigs can not forage for themselves.

Of course. But 6 week olds without their Mothers?

Shan

Joined: 13 Jan 2009
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Location: South Wales

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 14 5:17 pm Post subject:
Hence I said 'in the right environment'.

bulworthy project

Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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Location: Rackenford, Devon

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 14 6:40 pm Post subject:

pollyanna wrote:

Go into a feed-merchants and take a good look at the labels on the weaner food. If you can concoct a feed with the same feed value, especially the protein level, without feeding soya, then that is the path to go down.

It is a bit worrying that you seem to think that if hens (originally jungle birds) can forage for themselves, then so can pigs. This is not correct.

Growing pigs need protein.

If it came across that I thought that pigs could just live off what they forage then I have been misunderstood. I only said that like the chickens (which do mainly live on what they forage) we are not prepared to feed them soya.

Rob R

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 31902
Location: York

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 14 11:27 pm Post subject:

bulworthy project wrote:

I forgot to mention that we're growing jerusalem artichokes. We've read that these are good for pigs.

What do you think of these as pig food?

What else would you grow?

Artichokes, fantastic, fodder beet, sugar beet, all good, but perhaps the best piece of advice is;

Nick wrote:

Is there a dairy or brewery near you?

To avoid soya one of the emerging high quality ingredients is pot ale syrup, a by-product of the brewing and biofuel industries. The trouble is that it's sold by the tanker load so unless you have a friendly farmer nearby or a micro brewery, it'll be difficult to get hold of.

Here is a report about replacing soya with other protein sources, in particular read Table 7.1 on page 6 for the issues involved.

Page 7 discusses rapeseed meal, and I'm sure Hairyloon will at least be interested in selling you small quantities but this is another one that is of limited inclusion, particularly in weaners, for which the options (for which I'm guessing you'd be looking at) are limited to peas and distillers grains. Micronised peas are available as a straight from most feedstores though, so probably your best protein source option.

Ty Gwyn

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 4613
Location: Lampeter

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 14 1:20 am Post subject:
I would`nt call Pot Ale Syrup emerging,lol, I was using that 25yrs ago.

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