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Graham Hyde

Joined: 03 Apr 2011
Posts: 365

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 15 9:23 am Post subject:

Hi Cathryn, yes, not a nice pastime is it.
I have always sold the cocks and didn't realise the intent of the buyers at first.
I will continue to sell and can't say to the buyer 'you have to eat these you know, no fighting'. I wish I could but it is the way of the world here.
Hopefully enlightenment will come.

Another habit I find disagreeable is that they eat eggs where the chicks are fully formed, feathers and all. Looking logically, eating day old eggs and twenty day old eggs is the same to the chick but the sight.....urgh.
Enjoy your soup.

Mutton

Joined: 09 May 2009
Posts: 1508

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 15 10:41 am Post subject:
We had one who attacked my legs. After a couple of weeks of being yelled at and lobbed sideways (in a way that didn't cause injury) he gave up and never did it again. Lobbed sideways as in detached from my leg and tossed up in the air so he flew. Then yelled at again if he looked like coming close. For whatever reason it was only me he went for.

Lorrainelovesplants

Joined: 13 Oct 2006
Posts: 6521
Location: Dordogne

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 15 10:46 am Post subject:
Weve has 2 really awful Light Sussex cocks, one spurred right through a welly before he went to soup, the other through a plastic bucket. I have now had eggs from Bodger and his cock is very well behaved (she smirks)

Graham Hyde

Joined: 03 Apr 2011
Posts: 365

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 15 10:51 am Post subject:
Reminds me of Mike Harding's song, ....if you can't keep a cock from an old woman's ass.... I think it was on the Uncle Joes Mint Balls LP, the one with the picture of the Clogger's Arms (Oldham Road, M'cr) on the front.

chickenlady

Joined: 18 Aug 2013
Posts: 413
Location: Dorset

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 15 1:25 pm Post subject:

Graham Hyde wrote:

Reminds me of Mike Harding's song, ....if you can't keep a cock from an old woman's ass....
I think it was on the Uncle Joes Mint Balls LP, the one with the picture of the Clogger's Arms (Oldham Road, M'cr) on the front.

Good grief! The things you learn on this forum. BTW - don't put that phrase in Google..it takes you to some very "interesting" websites.

(now I know you'll all be doing it

)

Graham Hyde

Joined: 03 Apr 2011
Posts: 365

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 15 1:38 pm Post subject:

The title of the song was 'the cream of society live down our way'.
And in one of the verses it was a judge summing up a case of an unruly cockerel and a infraction with donkey belong to an old lady. He said, It comes to a sad pass when you cant keep......you know the rest now.
Others on the LP included 'Lots Wife', (I wish your mother were here now, I cant stand chips without bluddy salt); 'Who knocked down the walls of Jericho? (Headmaster said to the school inspector don't tell anyone, we'll send some builders round quick) and other delightful ditties.
The LP was actually called A Lancashire Lad, circa 1972

Graham Hyde

Joined: 03 Apr 2011
Posts: 365

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 15 4:21 pm Post subject:
https://thebrillianthomestead.com/livestock/how-to-butcher-a-rooster/ Actually the post is called 'How to Butcher a Psychotic Rooster' December 9, 2014 by The Brilliant Homestead

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46207
Location: yes

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 15 5:02 pm Post subject:

that method is kind if and it is a big IF you can subdue the beast.

aim for cutting a line half way between behind the eyes and the start of the neck to a little behind the hinge of the beak .this will hit the medulla oblongata for an instant kill rather than severing the neck which i recon leaves awareness for quite a while unless you follow up with the zombie dispatch method of destroy the brain .it makes sense to me to try for the kindest way and do it in one .

sometimes trench fight rules apply ever so quickly once the controlled calm method of choice has been scuppered by a very violent response from "mr feathers"

or better still plan ahead and shoot it from a safe distance while it is distracted by food or trying to rip through wire mesh to kill a rival and rape his women .

meat birds are bred for polite but the cull "cos it is evil" is a different kettle of spurred beaky violence

once i had dislocated rapist roosters neck and i thought he was dead he came at my face ,a bit lop sided granted but although i have not lived a sheltered life the next 30 seconds were among the most violent i have experienced .i won but i was quite shaken by the battle.

Graham Hyde

Joined: 03 Apr 2011
Posts: 365

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 15 11:32 pm Post subject:

Hi Dpack. Noted.
Dispatching the livestock is IMO the worst part of my adopted lifestyle.
Never a good feeling. Here we separate the birds the afternoon before the deed allowing water but no feed. In the morning the legs are tied together, I hold the bird in two hands, one on the head the other on the two wings immediately behind the body and stretch the bird across a baulk of timber. My better half then chops through the neck as close to the head as possible with a heavy, long bladed machete.
We use this method after seeing an ineffectual way of neck wringing.
It is quick and I think I suffer as much as the birds.
I have stopped keeping pigs as the slaughter was too distressing for me. Here pigs are kept in stys just large enough to accommodate the animal, mine were free range then put in a paddock after three months.
I got too close to these lovely animals, stupid I know, names and everything. One, I called her Penny, followed me around like a dog and would follow me into the sea each day when I went for my swim.
Upsets me still....fool

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46207
Location: yes

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 15 11:43 pm Post subject:
i have made friends with a few pigs that i could not eat,and with some i could eat .

Graham Hyde

Joined: 03 Apr 2011
Posts: 365

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 15 12:15 am Post subject:

Dpack, yes pigs can be quite delightful, I am so envious of Bodger.
My next, next door neighbour breeds pigs.
He lives in a native house, thatch over bamboo frame, along with his wife and pigs. In an open plan room are a kitchen, sleeping and living areas and the low concrete walls forming the stys. A mountain stream is channelled through the house and helps to keep the stys amazingly clean.
His main sow is enormous and he uses AI, administered by himself the doses of which are bought for the equivalent of 3 pounds.
Normally has 15 to 20 pigs in the house with him (not counting the wife)

Lorrainelovesplants

Joined: 13 Oct 2006
Posts: 6521
Location: Dordogne

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 15 5:01 pm Post subject:

10mm metal bar a metre long.
Place over neck with bird facing face down. You are holding onto both legs as high up the legs as you can get a good grip.
Place both feet either side of the bird onto the bar, and at the same time
Pull up smartly and slightly forward. This will pull the spinal cord out the base of the skull and break neck.
Death is instant.
Hold bird close to ground till flapping ceases (usually about a minute).

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46207
Location: yes

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 15 7:24 pm Post subject:

the bar/broomstick method works(hard floor required)and there is no splash but i find the flapping upsetting even though i know the critter is brain dead.

my behind the eyes cut gives a flap free end and also bleeds the bird via the carotid supply to the brain cos it does not stop the heart (neck chop often stops the heart as well as leaving what looks like a conscious head ,i suspect that if the cut hits the vagus baroreceptors it causes an instant heart stoppage but my chicken anatomy/physiology is fairly basic and im not certain that they have similar arrangements to mammals)

Tavascarow

Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Posts: 8407
Location: South Cornwall

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 15 7:34 pm Post subject:

Graham Hyde wrote:

My favourite is Beware of the bull by Jake Thakray.
Another northern lad.

mal55

Joined: 15 Jul 2009
Posts: 168
Location: Erewash or in the dog house

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 15 12:48 pm Post subject:

My cock's just had a go at the wife's Chihuahua! Now there's a statement you don't hear every day!
I went down the yard to feed the chickens and one of them got out the run as I went in. Flynn the Chi thinks he's a border collie and tried to get her back into the pen which upset the cockerel, "Barry." Barry (White) who is big, sings very low and is an absolutely enormous black Jersey Giant pushed past me and went for the dog. He got Flynn pinned down and was having a right good go before I managed to boot him off.
No harm done except to Flynn's pride and street cred with his bitches (Yo)!
Barry is for the pot too. He's a good bird who always puts his hens first but is just too aggressive. I can handle him but the wife can't.

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