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gil
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 06 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Hot water bottles ! Edit : I'm absolutely serious, short-term.

Also if your families have any 'old-fashioned' sheets and blankets (as opposed to duvets), use them and put the duvet on top. The tucked-in sheets round the edges keep the heat in much better.

re hot water bottles - the rubber kind you fill with hot water off the kettle are good, but if you're prone to power cuts and can get hold of those old-fashioned china 'pigs' cheaply (i.e. no more than �5-, you can fill them with cold water and put them in a (non-electric) oven to heat up, then carefully transfer using oven gloves to the bed.

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Mary-Jane



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 06 2:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Heating a non-centrally heated house Reply with quote
    

dougal wrote:

Buy an electric blanket for the short term. (I'm serious!)


We did that. Best thing we ever did - particularly as we had no bedroom ceiling for 14 months (it was finally completed on Christmas Day). We just used to lie in bed looking straight up into the attic - interesting, but bloody ffffffreezing and very noisy -especially when the crows and seagulls land on the roof in the morning as the light comes up!

nora



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 06 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

We had no central heating for 4 years so had a woodburner in the living room and used the gas rings on the cooker to heat the kitchen.
The bathroom was cold and I never found a way to warm that unfortunately. At night we had hot water bottles if we were cold.

I don't know how energy effecient this was but it cost less than the central heating I have now (gas)

marigold



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 06 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

As others else have said, insulation and draughtproofing are top of the list! But don't eliminate all ventilation. Start the storage heaters on a low setting to see how you get on with them. Personally I hate them 'cos they heat up at night when I want the house to be cool.

This kind of halogen heater is very effective for quick warmth and cheap to buy. www.ajmshopping.co.uk/listing.asp?Category=MarqueeHireEquipmentSales&SubCategory=MarqueeHeater&gclid=CNPR6ua6xYICFTxqEgodlAZCsw . Similar running costs as a fan heater, I guess, but the glow is more comforting somehow.

Carpet the floors - any old carpet/rugs will do to start with. It doesn't have to be properly fitted, just whack down a piece of secondhand carpet that roughly fits the room. The furniture will hold it in place.

Wear plenty of warm clothes, get some really good bootie-type slippers and wear a woolly hat if it's really cold.

This type of microwavable hottie is great www.airandwater.co.uk/product_details.asp?pid=555. Don't know how heating it in the microwave compares to boiling water for a rubber bottle, though. Lasts for ages, but worth making a washable cover for it as they get filthy (and a bit whiffy) eventually. I often use mine as a bit of extra warmth in my lap when I don't want the CH on, but sitting at the computer is chilly.

A few blankets between the mattress and the bottom sheet add cosiness if you don't fancy an electric blanket. Flanelette sheets are nice in winter. Wear pyjamas and buy really cosy long dressing gowns - fleece ones are cheap.

You can get special heaters for bathrooms which are combined with a light fitting - can't find one right now, but I know they exist! Cold bathroom is the pits. Have good thick bath mat and try to ensure towels are at dry before having a bath.

Have a rug or two available to tuck round your knees when you are sitting down to do something.

Keep active and eat well. The first two weeks will be the worst, after that you'll have adapted.

Your youth and love will keep you warm too .

I lived in an unheated detatched house as a young adult and don't remember it as cold at all - we had a gas fire in the living room and a wall-heater in the bathroom. There were storage heaters, but we couldn't afford to use them. There were usually at least half a dozen people in the house (3 beds, 2 recepts) so I expect we generated a lot of hot air between us .

Happy new house

Naomi



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 06 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

A woodburner with backboiler or better still a solid fuel Rayburn (so you can cook on wood energy too) and with a back boiler ,will not only heat the room it is in, but will also feed radiators in the other rooms too. Open fires can also have back boilers in them too, but they tend to eat the fuel quicker than a sealed burner and are harder to get to stay in overnight or if you go out for extended periods.
Really good insulation and draught proofing will keep in the heat that the rayburn or woodburner produces.That way you will not be paying for lost heat.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 06 9:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Heating a non-centrally heated house Reply with quote
    

dougal wrote:
Buy an electric blanket for the short term. (I'm serious!).


I'd agree with that too - we don't heat our bedroom at all, and it's a really nice feeling to get into a warm bed, when it's freezing outside..... It only needs to be on for a short time, once you're in, you create your own heat.....

woodyandluna



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 06 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Thanks everyone. Woodburner, good idea. I'll look into that. Insulation eh? How about using old clothes earmarked for the charity shop in the loft between the rafters? Can't hurt I suppose, so long as they're not too heavy!!

Noticed this morning that all of the windows were really condensated, is this a sign of drafty windows? Or something else? We're not living there yet so the house is still pretty cold inside.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 06 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

brica wrote:
Noticed this morning that all of the windows were really condensated, is this a sign of drafty windows? Or something else? We're not living there yet so the house is still pretty cold inside.


I would say that's the sign of a damp house that is still hotter on the inside than the out. Worth checking the air bricks are completely clear to that the underfloor is well ventelated. When we bought our house the previous owner had sealed all the air bricks up.

Loft insulation is still reasonably cheap plus there may be grants for it. I'm not sure how well old clothes would work but they might attract vermin.

Will



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 06 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Check out the HEAT project www.heca.co.uk and the Energy Saving Trust www.est.co.uk for details of grants in your area. I should think that some help would definitely be available for loft and cavity wall insulation as a minimum.

Bought my wife some down filled slippers. Best purchase I've made for ages...

judith



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 06 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Treacodactyl wrote:
brica wrote:
Noticed this morning that all of the windows were really condensated, is this a sign of drafty windows? Or something else? We're not living there yet so the house is still pretty cold inside.


I would say that's the sign of a damp house that is still hotter on the inside than the out. Worth checking the air bricks are completely clear to that the underfloor is well ventelated. When we bought our house the previous owner had sealed all the air bricks up.

Loft insulation is still reasonably cheap plus there may be grants for it. I'm not sure how well old clothes would work but they might attract vermin.


Agree with TD, the grants are good - it really is not worthwhile using a homemade solution. Do you have enough old clothes to lay them to a depth of 10", which I think is the current recommendation?

It does sound like there is some damp inside. After we sorted the places that water was coming in, we had to run a dehumidifier for a month or more to remove the moisture from the walls. The electricity bill was a bit of a shock afterwards, but the house feels so much warmer as a result. Damp air is cold.

dougal



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 06 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Condensation is a sign that
1/ the inside of the window is cold, and
2/ there is an unusually large amount of moisture in the air inside the house.
The moisture may be from many potential sources, none of which are likely to be welcome. Air movement should reduce moisture *build-up*. Now while the air may have been very still with the house unoccupied, there shouldn't be any sources of moisture to build-up. BTW, note that people, and flames without chimneys (like gas cookers), are *sources* of moisture... (which wouldn't be contributing moisture while the place was unoccupied).

As regards point 1 above, this too often steers people towards double glazing. DG is the least effective (in energy saving terms) form of insulation - and yet it is the most agressively sold.

Before you investigate woodburning stoves, (and the chimney work required, and suitable storage for a tonne or so of wood, and local sources for suitable wood) the PRIORITY has to be proper insulation.
And there are generous grants to help ensure it is done *properly*.
If you don't have cavity walls, then you shouldn't start redecorating until you have planned how you can incorporate insulation into the outside walls.

The more expensive the heat energy you are using, and the less well controlled it is (storage rads and open fires are neither well controlled or cheap to run) then the more important insulation is.
And as the cost of energy (ALL energy) is much more likely to rise than fall, insulating to get maximum benefit from your energy purchase, and minimising that purchase requirement, really does make most sense.

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 06 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

multi layer / down clothing (charity shops ) .insulation , wood burning range for cooking and at least one warm room with a built in boiler for hot water and radiators .

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 06 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Hi Brica,

How's the new house treating you?

We don't have central heating; we have an open fire in the lounge and a woodburner in the dining room (which is open plan with the kitchen and conservatory). We are able to get wood for nothing by going out daily into the forest.......

Our insulation is lousy, but we do what we can - we have old duvets around the hot water tank, keep the doors closed and have curtains lined with blankets. Insulation is something we would like to work on in the future.

We use hot water bottles (just a preference to electric blankets) and have two feather duvets on the bed. We also have a duvet downstairs for extra snuggling if we're sitting still, but basically we move around a lot - housework, chopping wood, tidying etc and wear warm clothes and extra layers.

Our daughter was born in this house and it is *amazing* how hot-blooded she is - She complains it is too hot if the room gets above about 18 degrees and starts stripping off.
It's also amazing how fast you get used to something. I was bought up with gas central heating which was on all the time *plus* an electric convector heater in my bedroom, alongside cavity wall, double glazing and an electric blanket. And guess what? Alot of the time I was cold. Now I can't bear going into my parents house, I feel totally stifled.

Eat porrage and jacket potatoes and you'll be as warm as toast! Things like garlic and ginger are not only good for you, but warm you from the inside out.
Oh, on really cold nights, we put a load of cushions and duvets on the floor and sleep infront of the fire - it's a great excuse for some family quality time and we keep warm in the bargain!

Have fun
mg x

dpack



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 06 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

i grew up in a very cold house ,then i went ice climbing so it obviously affects the mind
good clothes do the job indoors or out .
owt else is a luxury (bonus )
draftproofing is cheap , effective , green , fun ,and an easy diy job , unlike most house improvements .
insulation as above .
it will be spring soon so you have all summer to sort it .
extra bonus you dont need a fridge

homeinsulationservices



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 06 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Heat Pump and underfloor heating ?

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