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Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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Location: Hereford

Posted: Sat May 06, 06 10:03 pm Post subject:

A cricket bat farm has been suggested...

We already have a tame farmer who mows and controls hedges for us, I suspect he'll do this new field, too.
We have some friends (who bid unsuccessfully on another field) who wish to graze a horse on it asap. He's a traditional builder (think oak frame, lime mortar, traditional materials etc etc) who wants to help put up any shelters etc, so it might all fit together.

What's the going rate for grazing rental? (per acre, per horse, per month, however it's calculated)

wellington womble

Joined: 08 Nov 2004
Posts: 15051
Location: East Midlands

Posted: Sun May 07, 06 8:23 am Post subject:

nickhowe wrote:

What's the difference between a paddock and a field? Is this marketing speak?

Probably estate agent speak, which is even worse! My mum's field is the paddock, but only to avoid confusion with a friends 'field' who had it first.

If it were mine (gazes dreamily into the distance......) I'd want to have hazel coppice, with oak and beech standards for the kids and free range chickens and gooses, and a couple of alpacas so I can learn to spin (what do you mean you haven't got a spinning wheel!?) And an orchard (with nut trees)

Thought you were planning on Dexters?

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45669
Location: Essex

Posted: Sun May 07, 06 8:26 am Post subject:

nickhowe wrote:

What's the going rate for grazing rental? (per acre, per horse, per month, however it's calculated)

Varies hugely depending on syupply and demand

Cathryn

Joined: 16 Jul 2005
Posts: 19856
Location: Ceredigion

Posted: Sun May 07, 06 8:30 am Post subject:
I have paid �6 per horse per week (on about 14 acres shared with other horses) but I know that it is still quite cheap in this area - it's only �10 per horse with menage etc. Just ring a few places advertising grass livery around you and you'll get the local rate.

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
Posts: 34535
Location: Hereford

Posted: Sun May 07, 06 10:02 am Post subject:

wellington womble wrote:

If it were mine (gazes dreamily into the distance......) I'd want to have hazel coppice, with oak and beech standards for the kids and free range chickens and gooses, and a couple of alpacas so I can learn to spin (what do you mean you haven't got a spinning wheel!?) And an orchard (with nut trees)

Thought you were planning on Dexters?

I think Dexter's are most favourite, with horses alongside. We have hazel and willow for coppicing already, plus standards (not oak and beech, but ash and horsechestnut), chickens are on hold at the moment, due to over foxing and geese are about to rear their heads on our existing land. In the orchard (apples, pears, quinces, hazel and almond).

Alpacas? Bah, can't see the point. I reckon they're like ostrich. Someone said they're a good idea, but they're not really.

What I really need now is something small and tractor shaped...

Penny Outskirts

Joined: 18 Sep 2005
Posts: 23385
Location: Planet, not on the....

Posted: Sun May 07, 06 11:01 am Post subject:

nickhowe wrote:

What I really need now is something small and tractor shaped...

My OH's been drooling over this, don't know why, as we have no fields, and no need for it at the moment

I said he can have it if I can have my hens - he's gone a bit quiet now!

sally_in_wales
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Joined: 06 Mar 2005
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Location: sunny wales

Posted: Sun May 07, 06 11:12 am Post subject:

nickhowe wrote:

We just bought it. Best part of 5 acres. God, what am I going to do with it?

So chuffed....

Just caught up with this. Congratulations! I'm so green with envy

Can we all come and party on it?

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45669
Location: Essex

Posted: Sun May 07, 06 11:18 am Post subject:

nickhowe wrote:

Tahir, got any good deals on trees going, I'd quite like a small wood...?

Hmm, when are you next in my area? I've got some extras that need planting, haven't watered 'em or anything so if you're interested I'll have to check how well they are.

Congratulations BTW

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
Posts: 34535
Location: Hereford

Posted: Sun May 07, 06 1:45 pm Post subject:
Ooh, whaddya ya got? How much do you want, and have they survived? I can make a speshal trip for speshal trees.

Debbie

Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Posts: 160
Location: Exmoor Devon

Posted: Sun May 07, 06 2:01 pm Post subject:

Congratulations Nick its a great feeling isn't it? Maybe a small orchard with maybe a few lambs grazing underneath the trees fattening up?

Horses on your land? Hmmm.....I feel justified in saying this as I own two but I know I am going to be shot down in flames but....horses cut up your land and ruin your grass! Sorry, but always kept our girls at livery before and have always moaned at retricted grazing in wet weather etc etc but now we have our own land I am permanently wandering round a field looking at the grass, replacing divits and mumbling "bloody horses ruining my good grass" and they are my own! There is a reason why lots farmers don't let grazing to horse owners. The ground gets cut up and dock and weeds grow. If your grazing is good at least restrict the amount of land the horse has access to also bet you a pound to a penny it won't be on its own for long. Some horses don't mind but most prefer a companion. Oh and make sure they have to poo pick regularly or you will end up with long rang grass in some areas and cropped areas in others

We paid 12.50 per horse per week for grazing only down here but thats cheap.

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45669
Location: Essex

Posted: Sun May 07, 06 7:07 pm Post subject:

nickhowe wrote:

I can make a speshal trip for speshal trees.

No specials now, got some Italian Alders and an assortment of hawthorn and rambling roses I think.

wellington womble

Joined: 08 Nov 2004
Posts: 15051
Location: East Midlands

Posted: Sun May 07, 06 7:12 pm Post subject:

nickhowe wrote:

Alpacas? Bah, can't see the point. I reckon they're like ostrich. Someone said they're a good idea, but they're not really.

Funny, that's more or less how I feel about horses!

(they are reputedly fox detterants, though......)

nickhowe wrote:

What I really need now is something small and tractor shaped...

Shire? dexters sound tastiest though!

Cathryn

Joined: 16 Jul 2005
Posts: 19856
Location: Ceredigion

Posted: Sun May 07, 06 8:45 pm Post subject:

PS Nick I agree with Debbie - and I am also a horse owner. They are the devil for rubbing down fences as well but are good at keeping blackthorn from overunning and spreading. However on the plus side horses and cattle are a good combination for keeping meadow as meadow - horses are picky eaters and like the short stuff - cattle the long and they are a good combination for keeping worm burdens (in each other) low. I am always on the lookout for a lone cow needing short term grazing (they don't exist being herd animals like horses)

I have an 8hh horse (thank to my mother and daughter

) who will one day earn her keep by pulling a harrow

Just hoping to find harness small enough (and cheap enough) so forget the shire who would cost a fortune to feed

Last edited by Cathryn on Sun May 07, 06 8:48 pm; edited 1 time in total

gil
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Posted: Sun May 07, 06 8:48 pm Post subject:
Apparently horses and sheep don't like being grazed together (and sheep like the short grass too, so they'd be competing).

Cathryn

Joined: 16 Jul 2005
Posts: 19856
Location: Ceredigion

Posted: Sun May 07, 06 8:50 pm Post subject:
They will graze together but too much competition for the grass. Also the shepherd tends to panic when he sees horses careering around amongst his precious ewes

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