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Behemoth

Joined: 01 Dec 2004
Posts: 19023
Location: Leeds

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 09 10:16 pm Post subject:
Blue? Blue! Oh my, this torrent of filth.

Jonnyboy

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 23956
Location: under some rain.

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 09 10:20 pm Post subject:

Bebo wrote:

In a way I feel sorry for the mods because I would guess that a fair few of the complaints come from people that don't actually have that much of an issue but are doing it to make a point.

In fact, a lot of complaints come informally to mods that certain members have an affinity with. So yes, one of the roles of a mod is to look out for those who wont speak up for themselves. But are nevertheless impacted by the actions of others.

Mr O

Joined: 13 Feb 2005
Posts: 5512
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 09 11:47 pm Post subject:
oh god not another " lets winge about the Mods" thread? Personaly, i take this place as I find it, if i didn't like it I wouldn't be here. And that is the rub, isn't it? instead of wasting time trying to change it why not find a place you are happy with. It's all a herd of Bullocks. Note : capitals Used sporadically and miss spellings deliberate

Silas

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6848
Location: Staffordshire

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 09 6:20 am Post subject:

Well, in all the time I have been a member of this site, I have seen the 'F' word used only twice and never seen the 'C' word used. Mind you I don't read all the posts.

The words we are talking about here are not offensive to the vast majority of people most are not even swear words in the proper sense, but are now everyday words used by almost everyone in daily conversation and are certainly used in pre-watershed programmes on the BBC.

I really think that if people have problems with this that they have bigger problems than the mild and innocuous language used me my and many others on this site and by almost everyone in daily conversation. The words are never used in an offensive or personal manner.

Now, as it happens I will try to resist using these words. Not because of the risk of offending the sensitive souls that reside on this forum in their obvious multitudes, but because of the real problem that Gervase pointed out regarding the difficulty some net security systems have.

But I really think moderating this sort of thing to be pathetic.

Jonnyboy

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 23956
Location: under some rain.

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 09 6:45 am Post subject:

Well there you go, I've been called pathetic for moderating the 'F' word and advising some politely of the change.

We try to moderate with a light touch, and we can't check every post. So some stuff gets through especially if there are no complaints. Therefore there will always be a low level of swearing on the site. At times the level increases to a point where people notice and make complaints, so we try to deal with it in a sensible way.

Of course, whatever we do some people will never be happy because they have the luxury of self interest.

Silas

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6848
Location: Staffordshire

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 09 6:50 am Post subject:

Jonnyboy wrote:

Sorry Jonnyboy, I do not criticise you for moderating the 'F' word, I think that be fair enough - and you are certainly correct in that we have the luxury of self interest. It seems to me that there are a couple of people on the mod team who do not like the use of 'language' and think it appropriate to treat us like six year olds when we converse like normal adults.

Treacodactyl
Downsizer Moderator

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 25795
Location: Jumping on the bandwagon of opportunism

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 09 6:59 am Post subject:

Silas wrote:

To be blunt if you don't want to be treated like six year olds then don't act like one (IMO we don't treat people like that). You agree some swear words aren't acceptable so why can't you accept that others people might find other swear words unacceptable? A clear reason has been provided and it's something all the mods and members of staff agree on so not something to be paranoid about.

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Silas

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6848
Location: Staffordshire

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 09 7:00 am Post subject:

Treacodactyl wrote:

Silas wrote:

To be blunt if you don't want to be treated like six year olds then don't act like one. You agree some swear words aren't acceptable so why can't you accept that others people might find other swear words unacceptable? A clear reason has been provided and it's something all the mods and members of staff agree on so not something to be paranoid about.

Yes, I was waiting for that daft response from someone.

Treacodactyl
Downsizer Moderator

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 25795
Location: Jumping on the bandwagon of opportunism

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 09 7:01 am Post subject:

Silas wrote:

Yes, I was waiting for that daft response from someone.

What, common sense?

stumbling goat

Joined: 20 Jan 2009
Posts: 1990

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 09 7:04 am Post subject:

Silas wrote:

Jonnyboy wrote:

can see your point silas. when chatting you alter your language to suit your audience as we all do. the issue here is that no one knows who the receiving audience consists of. and it may not be your target audience. and the conversation is out there, preserved, unless moderated or deleted or edited or otherwise altered and the audience continually changes. so i guess the aim is to cater for or consioder that whatever is written is suitable for the individual that is deemed most in need of protection?

sg

Silas

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6848
Location: Staffordshire

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 09 7:05 am Post subject:

Treacodactyl wrote:

Silas wrote:

Yes, I was waiting for that daft response from someone.

What, common sense?

No, just a trite and predictable post.

Silas

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6848
Location: Staffordshire

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 09 7:07 am Post subject:
Well, it is time people woke up and realised it is not language that is the problem, its the way it is sometimes used that is the problem.

vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 21301
Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 09 7:36 am Post subject:

Silas wrote:

Well, it is time people woke up and realised it is not language that is the problem, its the way it is sometimes used that is the problem.

Too right. Even ordinary non-offensive words can cut deep if crafted well enough.

Treacodactyl
Downsizer Moderator

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 25795
Location: Jumping on the bandwagon of opportunism

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 09 7:42 am Post subject:

vegplot wrote:

Silas wrote:

Well, it is time people woke up and realised it is not language that is the problem, its the way it is sometimes used that is the problem.

Too right. Even ordinary non-offensive words can cut deep if crafted well enough.

And something we also keep an eye on, along with many other things. Silas is right though, perhaps we should look closer at people who try and deliberately offend or wind people up.

Rob R

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 31902
Location: York

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 09 8:02 am Post subject:

Bebo wrote:

Brownbear wrote:

Bebo wrote:

Bernie66 wrote:

Some people dont have the personality to object publically. Some people are introvert. Some people need looking out for,
Thats just how it is

Wow, moderators as protectors of the downtrodden innocent. Do you get to wear your pants outside your trousers too?

To be fair, if you're a person who gets upset by what you find crude language, you're unlikely to be the sort of person to confront someone about it.

RobR and a number of others seems to have been eloquent enough in stating their case against swearing in the public forum, so I'm not sure that's true.

Not really, I've given up raising it as an issue because asking people to self-moderate their language just seems to result in them getting huffy and using those words more. I'd pretty much accepted that Downsizer has become a place where it is OK to swear & have been more careful as to who I reccomend use the site.

I haven't tried to state a case against it, just tried to suggest a way of self-moderation that would/should be acceptable to the majority bar the most/least sweary of contributors. That explanation was picked apart/mocked because of some pensioners who swear like dockers so I tried to put it another way.

I'm yet to complain about anyone's language directly and I wouldn't do it because if people can't respect Downsizer collectively, I doubt an individual request would be any better, even worse. I don't think there is a need for individuals to be picked out on either 'side'.

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